Nosler Model 21

[Be350ka]

Has anyone who sent their PRC back for feed issues had any additional updates or correspondence regarding the issue? The past week and a half would have been slow going with Christmas and New Years, but I was hoping that someone has something new.

I’ve heard nothing new other than Davidson’s saying that it was sent to Nosler and if it becomes an ongoing issue I’ll get my money back from this.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Took the 21 280 Ackley to the range today for break in. The rifle shoots like a dream. Recoil feels like a mild 270. The stock and recoil pad really absorbs recoil well. On the first shot I fell in love. This is 1 purchase I’m really happy about. The last 3 shot group was .370 with factory 140 Nosler Ballistic Tips.

How do you feel about this as a rifle for 600 yard shots?

 

[Midnightz71]

How do you feel about this as a rifle for 600 yard shots?

I’m setting it up for hunting with a vx3i 4.5-14x40 Boone and crocket weighing 13 oz. 600 yards will be the farthest I’m hunting with this rifle and I believe this combo to be perfect for that.

 

[JEFFERSONPET]

Update:

I had a brief conversation with CS from Nosler regarding my feed issues. It appears that there has been another 6.5 PRC who reported the same issue. Soooo.... it’s not a one off unfortunately. I’ll wait until we finish our conversation tomorrow and update further, but I’m concerned now that there is an issue that may be more than a tweak. I’ll stop with any speculation and wait until I’ve got facts. I just wanted to share what I’ve learned as I learn it.

I am the other guy and one of many more to follow I think. I sent my m21 6.5prc back on the dec 14th but talked to David in customer Service several days before that. Gun arrived on the 23rd I was told two weeks. On Monday this week I emailed and called and did every day until today which is Thursday before I got a response. Probably because I blew up there social media.

 

[JEFFERSONPET]

Sounds like you had a very similar conversation to mine. They are on high alert about this issue now. I was told that they cycle “dummy” rounds loaded to min SAAMI spec and rounds loaded to max spec. There needs to be a good reason as to why factory ammo is having an issue when the feed test was “passed”. In a respectful way I made it very clear that I don’t appreciate feeling like a beta tester and how this is handled from here will tell the tale.

Someone got lied to then. Either you or me. I was most likely one of the first David talked to and he told me that they do not test for cycling and feeding issues because they use to get complaints about the cerakote wearing off from testing. Never heard of the finish coming off in the receiver from Cycling a few rounds. Anyway it’s obvious they did not check them or they would have never left. It’s not going to be a simple fix because I don’t think the receiver has been milled out properly.

 

[JEFFERSONPET]

Has anyone who sent their PRC back for feed issues had any additional updates or correspondence regarding the issue? The past week and a half would have been slow going with Christmas and New Years, but I was hoping that someone has something new.

I’ve heard nothing new other than Davidson’s saying that it was sent to Nosler and if it becomes an ongoing issue I’ll get my money back from this.

Check the email below. I think the stock is to small for the mag box or they didn’t milk the receiver correctly.

 

[Be350ka]

Someone got lied to then. Either you or me. I was most likely one of the first David talked to and he told me that they do not test for cycling and feeding issues because they use to get complaints about the cerakote wearing off from testing. Never heard of the finish coming off in the receiver from Cycling a few rounds. Anyway it’s obvious they did not check them or they would have never left. It’s not going to be a simple fix because I don’t think the receiver has been milled out properly.

I was afraid of this. And by this I mean getting lied to. I’m calling tomorrow. If I get the runaround I’m going to be p!$$3d. I’ve been extremely reasonable and patient. However, the amount of money spent on this gun should warrant more communication. I spoke with David on the 17th and I told him the way that this is handled from this point forward is most important. If we are getting different stories I’m about ready to wash my hands of this and move on.

 

[Be350ka]

Check the email below. I think the stock is to small for the mag box or they didn’t milk the receiver correctly.

Sounds like these engineers should have put a TON more effort into the PRC to eliminate the .043, or what ever, problems.

I remember David saying that these guns were not released earlier because they wanted to make sure that they didn’t have issues. Sounds like we are dealing with the used Kia dealer here.

 

[Knoxp]

I am one of the three that sent their 6.5 in. Mine arrived the same time as the other 2. I mailed off 12/21 and it arrived 12/29. On the 30th I was emailed letting me know that it had been received and that they were working to resolve it as quickly as possible.

I too have wondered if the fix would be more significant. As a business it is inexcusable that Nosler would have this issue during launch of what they hope to be their flagship line. This failure though is across the board and there were so many stops along the way that contributed to it making it to customers hands.

I know they will make it right and I am ok with that. But it isn’t something that I will forget, and I am wondering how well the fix will sit with me. I was so pleased with fit and finish, I am really disappointed to think the rifle I paid for will have to be pulled apart and reworked who knows how many times to help solve their problem.

Stuff happens but no one wants to be the one that has to deal with it. I wonder if I could just switch calibers, I also wonder if there are any issues in the .300 PRC. Who knows…..

 

[Be350ka]

I am one of the three that sent their 6.5 in. Mine arrived the same time as the other 2. I mailed off 12/21 and it arrived 12/29. On the 30th I was emailed letting me know that it had been received and that they were working to resolve it as quickly as possible.

I too have wondered if the fix would be more significant. As a business it is inexcusable that Nosler would have this issue during launch of what they hope to be their flagship line. This failure though is across the board and there were so many stops along the way that contributed to it making it to customers hands.

I know they will make it right and I am ok with that. But it isn’t something that I will forget, and I am wondering how well the fix will sit with me. I was so pleased with fit and finish, I am really disappointed to think the rifle I paid for will have to be pulled apart and reworked who knows how many times to help solve their problem.

Stuff happens but no one wants to be the one that has to deal with it. I wonder if I could just switch calibers, I also wonder if there are any issues in the .300 PRC. Who knows…..

At this point I’m in $1,000 in ammo, $1,500 in a scope, $350 in reloading hardware, several hundred in bullets and powders for the caliber of my choice AND THEIR OFFERING. I’ll be damned if I switch calibers for their convenience. I’ll call tomorrow and see what they say. If they don’t call back because it’s inconvenient I’ll report it this time unlike a while back when I was told “I’ll call you at 12 your time”. That call never happened...

 

[hodgeman]

. I wonder if I could just switch calibers, I also wonder if there are any issues in the .300 PRC. Who knows…..

It seems the PRC is the odd man out for case dimensions. All of the other large diameter cases are long actions. The short action cartridges are all standard case head diameter.

Wyatt is building the mag box for these so I'm wondering if there's some interference when you move to the bigger rim in the short action.

That kind of thing happened early with the WSM case. Oddly, my Nosler 48 feeds the WSM case slicker than any other rifle in a short mag I've tried.

 

[Be350ka]

It seems the PRC is the odd man out for case dimensions. All of the other large diameter cases are long actions. The short action cartridges are all standard case head diameter.

Wyatt is building the mag box for these so I'm wondering if there's some interference when you move to the bigger rim in the short action.

That kind of thing happened early with the WSM case. Oddly, my Nosler 48 feeds the WSM case slicker than any other rifle in a short mag I've tried.

David tried to use case dimensions in a discussion about this issue with me. I asked “how come other manufacturers have it figured out...it’s been done before...”. He reset and continued with his line of thought.

 

[JEFFERSONPET]

I am one of the three that sent their 6.5 in. Mine arrived the same time as the other 2. I mailed off 12/21 and it arrived 12/29. On the 30th I was emailed letting me know that it had been received and that they were working to resolve it as quickly as possible.

I too have wondered if the fix would be more significant. As a business it is inexcusable that Nosler would have this issue during launch of what they hope to be their flagship line. This failure though is across the board and there were so many stops along the way that contributed to it making it to customers hands.

I know they will make it right and I am ok with that. But it isn’t something that I will forget, and I am wondering how well the fix will sit with me. I was so pleased with fit and finish, I am really disappointed to think the rifle I paid for will have to be pulled apart and reworked who knows how many times to help solve their problem.

Stuff happens but no one wants to be the one that has to deal with it. I wonder if I could just switch calibers, I also wonder if there are any issues in the .300 PRC. Who knows…..

see email below! Lots of smoke. I know what it’s doing but why? The issue is either the stock or what I think is the receiver hasn’t been milled correctly. It’s a wyatts box and Wyatt has a video on YouTube talking about the 6.5 prc and what to do if it doesn’t fit. If the wyatts box was bad then they could replace that easy! Other brands have had the same issue when 6.5prc came out two years ago. All they had to do was do there homework which they didn’t. The gun needs to be a medium or a long action and or have a detachable box mag. Anyway it’s just down right stupid that it was allowed to leave the building without being checked. I’ll bet a $100 they have to take the gun apart and re do the receiver or the stock.

 

[JEFFERSONPET]

It seems the PRC is the odd man out for case dimensions. All of the other large diameter cases are long actions. The short action cartridges are all standard case head diameter.

Wyatt is building the mag box for these so I'm wondering if there's some interference when you move to the bigger rim in the short action.

That kind of thing happened early with the WSM case. Oddly, my Nosler 48 feeds the WSM case slicker than any other rifle in a short mag I've tried.

Exactly. They didn’t do there homework when engineering it! It’s not the wyatts box but they way the gun was designed or put together

 

[Be350ka]

see email below! Lots of smoke. I know what it’s doing but why? The issue is either the stock or what I think is the receiver hasn’t been milled correctly. It’s a wyatts box and Wyatt has a video on YouTube talking about the 6.5 prc and what to do if it doesn’t fit. If the wyatts box was bad then they could replace that easy! Other brands have had the same issue when 6.5prc came out two years ago. All they had to do was do there homework which they didn’t. The gun needs to be a medium or a long action and or have a detachable box mag. Anyway it’s just down right stupid that it was allowed to leave the building without being checked. I’ll bet a $100 they have to take the gun apart and re do the receiver or the stock.

I’m not waiting that long. If spinning metal needs to touch metal to fix their screw up I’m done. This has gone far enough. This ALL should have been resolved in their testing. That’s why I made it clear that I don’t like being a beta tester.

 

[JEFFERSONPET]

David tried to use case dimensions in a discussion about this issue with me. I asked “how come other manufacturers have it figured out...it’s been done before...”. He reset and continued with his line of thought.

My first impression of him was a used car salesmen. Lots of smoke and name dropping. They have had these guns for over a week now and it’s obviously not a quick fix or else it would be done or he would have told me in the email today what the fix was but they either don’t know or won’t say. Both of which are a red flag to me! I’ll give it another week and then I’m going to be asking for my money back. I’m sure it’s a great gun but I’m just pissed. Mainly that it was able to leave the factory.

 

[Doc Holliday]

see email below! Lots of smoke. I know what it’s doing but why? The issue is either the stock or what I think is the receiver hasn’t been milled correctly. It’s a wyatts box and Wyatt has a video on YouTube talking about the 6.5 prc and what to do if it doesn’t fit. If the wyatts box was bad then they could replace that easy! Other brands have had the same issue when 6.5prc came out two years ago. All they had to do was do there homework which they didn’t. The gun needs to be a medium or a long action and or have a detachable box mag. Anyway it’s just down right stupid that it was allowed to leave the building without being checked. I’ll bet a $100 they have to take the gun apart and re do the receiver or the stock.

So based on his email it sounds like the smaller (brass) diameter rounds (308, 280 AI) should not have this issue?

 

[Be350ka]

My first impression of him was a used car salesmen. Lots of smoke and name dropping. They have had these guns for over a week now and it’s obviously not a quick fix or else it would be done or he would have told me in the email today what the fix was but they either don’t know or won’t say. Both of which are a red flag to me! I’ll give it another week and then I’m going to be asking for my money back. I’m sure it’s a great gun but I’m just pissed. Mainly that it was able to leave the factory.

I WAS going to wait until next week to call, but after the shit email that you got...I’m back in the game. Luckily I’m not hurting for the money because it’s money saved for this project. However, I’m still “out” the money. I called about another rifle today. Much more expensive. I wouldn’t have had to do this if Nosler would have been honest in their approach. I’m have to say that my impression of Nosler now is totally different than that just a short while ago.

 

[Be350ka]

So based on his email it sounds like the smaller (brass) diameter rounds (308, 280 AI) should not have this issue?

Remember that there were two stories told regarding this. One that there was no testing of feed at the factory because of....

The other story was that they test several rounds for feed at max SAAMI and several at min SAAMI.

At this point believe what you’d like.

 

[JEFFERSONPET]

So based on his email it sounds like the smaller (brass) diameter rounds (308, 280 AI) should not have this issue?

Yea it’s just the PRC