No wonder we lose our rights

[displacedtexan]

I think the main thing on lots of threads is that folks seem to think that disagreements immediately mean guys and gals don't like each other. Debating is good for the site, especially when it's shown with real world data to back it up; and just because someone doesn't agree with what you type, doesn't mean they dislike you as a person; or are in some way "challenging your experience" or whatever folks think.

There's a Facebook restaurant review group and grill/smoker group in the city I live by. There's another guy who I go back and forth with in both of them.

People think we hate each other. We're actually good friends.

 

[roadrunner]

I think the main thing on lots of threads is that folks seem to think that disagreements immediately mean guys and gals don't like each other. Debating is good for the site, especially when it's shown with real world data to back it up; and just because someone doesn't agree with what you type, doesn't mean they dislike you as a person; or are in some way "challenging your experience" or whatever folks think.

Until they say the word "ignorant" or use the phrase "that is factually untrue".

Then they are essentially challenging experience or flat out saying you're a liar...

 

[roosiebull]

Miscommunication is the root of ALL misunderstanding...

You are certainly onto something here. Communication would be a big improvement. The biggest issue with that is communication is becoming lost in text, it’s like people are terrified of talking to people in person, and terrified of confrontation of any kind. I’m not talking about aggressive confrontation, just confrontation in general

I do agree we would see a big improvement if people weren’t afraid of talking to someone they don’t know, work it out and move on, it would benefit all parties involved.

I think it comes down to the media world, people are so used to interacting through text that interaction in person is avoided, which will obviously cause unnecessary problems.

I have always been the type of person that is going to be at a spot first if I want to hunt it, if someone does beat me there, 99% of the time I’m going to let them have it, and if it’s a big area and I really want to hunt it, I would go talk to that person, and if my plan has no chance of interfering with their program, I might stay, but that’s rare, usually I will just accept that they wanted it more and beat me there and let someone else be that guy, that’s basically never reciprocated now, people will try to park wherever they can so they can get their stuff together and race by you and avoid confrontation at all cost, it makes no sense.

If you want a spot that bad, you can have it, but at least give me the respect to tell me your plan so we don’t end up at the same spot, that’s literally all I ask, but that’s asking way too much… people act as shady as possible.

It’s not just the younger generation of hunters either, it seems like everyone has changed to that mindset, it’s so bizarre, and it makes it very obvious they know it’s not right, but people don’t care about anything but themselves and are terrified of interaction

I will never turn into that, I don’t have it in me, I don’t want to walk in on someone and mess up their program, but from what I see, I’m odd man out.

I know there are a lot of good dudes out there that hunt a lot, but I don’t run into many of them.

 

[lyingflatlander]

Get use to the idea that other people hunt differently then you do and accept it. As long as your hitting your goals it’s fine. I enjoy deer hunting but am holding out for a trophy. But, I always seem to have enough elk venison in the freezer. I’m happy for all you hunters if you kill a deer. Let our state conservation congress decide by sportsmen vote how we should go about our task. Right now the topic of air rifles are going through our state.

 

[Yoder]

I think too many people worry about what everyone else is doing. This goes for everything, not just hunting. If it's legal, and it's not hurting anyone, maybe you should mind your own business.

The other thing is feelings. Like Ben Shapiro says, "Facts don't care about your feelings". So, when you feel sad that someone is using a crossbow in archery season because it's too easy, what does the data say? If too many animals are being killed with crossbows, maybe they need to limit or get rid of them. If not, why do you care? It's an advantage, but so is a compound over a stick bow. I think it's a good idea to look at the kill data anytime they make a big change like this.

 

[Stubborn_bowhunter]

I'd say one of the biggest divides is hunters who aren't "anti hunting," but they're "anti PREDATOR hunting."

This is where we'll see hunting opportunities chipped away at because some hunters don't like the idea of predator hunting, especially with hounds.

After they do away with that then they'll go all in on the rest of it.

Gear and brand arguments still end with everyone being on the same side. People argue about gear in every hobby.

 

[fngTony]

I'd say one of the biggest divides is hunters who aren't "anti hunting," but they're "anti PREDATOR hunting."

This is where we'll see hunting opportunities chipped away at because some hunters don't like the idea of predator hunting, especially with hounds.

After they do away with that then they'll go all in on the rest of it.

Gear and brand arguments still end with everyone being on the same side. People argue about gear in every hobby.

Totally agree, predator hunting brings out more emotions than crossbows.

 

[intunegp]

I think the feeling of dividedness is just amplified by the setting. This is an online forum based around hunting discussion, where people can say whatever they want, however they want, to whoever they want, with little to no consequences or follow up.

If all the same people on Rokslide who are at each other's throats found themselves in a watering hole having the same talks over a beer, I bet the conversations would be a lot more civil and quick to find common ground. There's always going to be some differences of opinion among a largely likeminded group, but the internet has a way of making people seem ready to die for that opinion. In real life they rarely feel so strongly, and if they do they're not as quick to express it so openly.

 

[Swamp Fox]

I'd say one of the biggest divides is hunters who aren't "anti hunting," but they're "anti PREDATOR hunting."

This is where we'll see hunting opportunities chipped away at because some hunters don't like the idea of predator hunting, especially with hounds.

After they do away with that then they'll go all in on the rest of it.

Gear and brand arguments still end with everyone being on the same side. People argue about gear in every hobby.

Jane, you ignorant slut ...

Hunting is not a hobby.

 

[Stubborn_bowhunter]

Jane, you ignorant slut ...

Hunting is not a hobby.

I'm sorry. "Lifestyle"

 

[HuntHarder]

I see nothing wrong with trying to police ourselves to prevent further tag declines or loss of opportunities to hunt. Technology in every field is ever increasing. You may not agree with where a dept. draws the line, but lines need to be drawn. To think you are going to get ALL hunters to agree on everything is naive or wishful thinking.
I have watched my archery opportunities decrease quite a bit from when I first started. We now have a quota system and a cap on Non-resident OTC. I give it less than 10 years, probably closer to 5 and all Archery hunting will be draw only. There are many reasons for the decline.

 

[5MilesBack]

A right is not something you can lose.

 

[hibernation]

One thing to remember, the only reason we have hunting to this day is because people stood for change and self regulation. I dont think they were very popular at that time and I wonder how many people said the same things that are being said today.

Teddy Roosevelt faced a ton of criticism in his day, I think it's easy to take for granted what a unique moment in history that was.

 

[hibernation]

I have always been the type of person that is going to be at a spot first if I want to hunt it, if someone does beat me there, 99% of the time I’m going to let them have it, and if it’s a big area and I really want to hunt it, I would go talk to that person, and if my plan has no chance of interfering with their program, I might stay, but that’s rare, usually I will just accept that they wanted it more and beat me there and let someone else be that guy, that’s basically never reciprocated now, people will try to park wherever they can so they can get their stuff together and race by you and avoid confrontation at all cost, it makes no sense.

If you want a spot that bad, you can have it, but at least give me the respect to tell me your plan so we don’t end up at the same spot, that’s literally all I ask, but that’s asking way too much… people act as shady as possible.

Totally agree. I don't really want to hang out and have a whole conversation while I'm hunting, but if I run into someone I at least want a quick, friendly "I was planning on heading X direction, which way are you going so we don't waste each other's time?" Especially for archery elk, I'd rather move on than end up bugling at each other.

I'm about 75/25 on what response I get. Most guys are alright, we're all out there trying to do the same thing, but some people won't say a word and it always seems nuts to me. It's like they're keeping some big secret, but... I came here for a reason, man! You're not the only one that thinks there's animals here. If you got here first that's all good, I'm just looking for a rough "yeah, we're working this basin here" or "we're going up and over the next ridge" so I can avoid you. Takes two minutes for both of us to have a better hunt.

 

[roadrunner]

You are certainly onto something here. Communication would be a big improvement. The biggest issue with that is communication is becoming lost in text, it’s like people are terrified of talking to people in person, and terrified of confrontation of any kind. I’m not talking about aggressive confrontation, just confrontation in general

I do agree we would see a big improvement if people weren’t afraid of talking to someone they don’t know, work it out and move on, it would benefit all parties involved.

I think it comes down to the media world, people are so used to interacting through text that interaction in person is avoided, which will obviously cause unnecessary problems.

I have always been the type of person that is going to be at a spot first if I want to hunt it, if someone does beat me there, 99% of the time I’m going to let them have it, and if it’s a big area and I really want to hunt it, I would go talk to that person, and if my plan has no chance of interfering with their program, I might stay, but that’s rare, usually I will just accept that they wanted it more and beat me there and let someone else be that guy, that’s basically never reciprocated now, people will try to park wherever they can so they can get their stuff together and race by you and avoid confrontation at all cost, it makes no sense.

If you want a spot that bad, you can have it, but at least give me the respect to tell me your plan so we don’t end up at the same spot, that’s literally all I ask, but that’s asking way too much… people act as shady as possible.

It’s not just the younger generation of hunters either, it seems like everyone has changed to that mindset, it’s so bizarre, and it makes it very obvious they know it’s not right, but people don’t care about anything but themselves and are terrified of interaction

I will never turn into that, I don’t have it in me, I don’t want to walk in on someone and mess up their program, but from what I see, I’m odd man out.

I know there are a lot of good dudes out there that hunt a lot, but I don’t run into many of them.

People should write (type) with the expectation that they'd get their clock cleaned in person to person verbal communication.

 

[7mm-08]

OP, I get your point about us eating our own (because I'm not a fan of divisiveness and the Internet bravado either), but to clarify: the Second Amendment deals with a well regulated Militia and bestows the RIGHT to keep and bear arms on (most) citizens of the United States. Hunting, fishing and trapping are NOT rights - rather, they are allowed by regulatory framework (a privilege) established by states to pursue these activities.