News that’s gonna rock the mule deer world!

[tdhanses]

I hope you are a prophet!
I just hate to see units get ruined by this stuff, but like I told the hunter, unless he burns the rack and hides the ashes, there's a chance his area is ruined.
In case anyone is wondering, I do not know the unit, nor did I ask the hunter, nor will I. For the reason stated just above--I'd hate for it to get ruined.

I wouldn’t tell anyone and I still wouldn’t want to know the unit.

 

[dirtytough]

@robby denning do you know if the hunter knew about the buck from last year, pre scouted it this year, went in blind, or bought the coordinates for it?

"bought the coordinates" was sarcasm

 

[N2TRKYS]

I believe the point is that in the past 11 years 3 300”+ deer have been taken in CO yet still this happened by offering very very good odds at the tags vs being a OIL tag or otc units with mainly only forkies being a mature buck. It doesn’t impress me to see a monster buck taken in an area that gets pretty much all the mature bucks slaughtered and has unlimited tags, that isn’t impressive conservation practices and more just luck for one animal.

Yes this has been going on for awhile but it also takes awhile to see the positive effects from these changes, that is what is really cool to me. It shows we can manage for quality and decent opportunities plus keep herd health good. I get this doesn’t impress some but to me it’s a conservation win and hard to argue with changing CO’s management plan where some want to increase or make opportunities easier, I think some would prefer going back to all otc.

Now hopefully the unit remains a secret and isn’t blasted all over the web or it will become a OIL unit.

My point is about the rifle tag allocation. Although, it seems that there's some confusion on here if they're hard to draw or not. Lol. If archery success goes up, those tags will develop the same point creep. From what I've seen over the years, years of limited tags in rifle season increases the amount of higher end bucks, weather depending, of course. After word gets out that they've built back up, the archery influence gets larger.
My advice is, enjoy it while you can.

 

[LongWayAround]

That's a cool looking buck. Props to Colorado for growing some nice deer.

I find it unfortunate that these things get blown up the way they do. Media outlets paying to "break" the story. Stupid social media "teaser" photos... I'll read them if I happen to pick a magazine off the rack but they all sound about the same.

(See the standard template in any Eastman's, Western Hunter, etc.)

A guy draws a tag, scouts, and finds a buck. Maybe it's a hard to draw tag and the hunter assembles a team of everyone he's ever met to canvas the area. The stalk happens, the animal is shot, recovered, and photographed. End of story. Usually...

I enjoy a good hunting story as much as anyone but I don't get very enamored by the successes and failures of others.

I like Robby's angle of promoting the management of the state resulting in these animals. I dislike the "exclusive" news release angle.

#HashTagsAreLame

 

[tdhanses]

My point is about the rifle tag allocation. Although, it seems that there's some confusion on here if they're hard to draw or not. Lol. If archery success goes up, those tags will develop the same point creep. From what I've seen over the years, years of limited tags in rifle season increases the amount of higher end bucks, weather depending, of course. After word gets out that they've built back up, the archery influence gets larger.
My advice is, enjoy it while you can.

Well first conservation isn’t just about rifle season secondly yes there are easy to draw rifle tags. Where I’ll be elk hunting 3rd season rifle this year takes 1-2pts to draw deer.

As with anything it’ll vary so just do some research and yes you’ll find an easy to draw rifle unit. But yes there are hard to draw deer tags for all weapons.

 

[ktowncamo]

That's a cool looking buck. Props to Colorado for growing some nice deer.

I find it unfortunate that these things get blown up the way they do. Media outlets paying to "break" the story. Stupid social media "teaser" photos... I'll read them if I happen to pick a magazine off the rack but they all sound about the same.

(See the standard template in any Eastman's, Western Hunter, etc.)

A guy draws a tag, scouts, and finds a buck. Maybe it's a hard to draw tag and the hunter assembles a team of everyone he's ever met to canvas the area. The stalk happens, the animal is shot, recovered, and photographed. End of story. Usually...

I enjoy a good hunting story as much as anyone but I don't get very enamored by the successes and failures of others.

I like Robby's angle of promoting the management of the state resulting in these animals. I dislike the "exclusive" news release angle.

#HashTagsAreLame

I hear you. The hunter was considering just putting it in his house and proceeding with life as "normal", but opted to allow it to be displayed at the upcoming Western Hunt Expo. With that decision came a need (which Robby can confirm and support) to announce the existence of the buck as the full story would be a couple months away in Western Hunter. This was in hopes of minimizing speculation and "high fence" armchair discussions as well as portraying the hunter simply and as accurately as possible without over doing things.

 

[N2TRKYS]

Well first conservation isn’t just about rifle season secondly yes there are easy to draw rifle tags. Where I’ll be elk hunting 3rd season rifle this year takes 1-2pts to draw deer.

As with anything it’ll vary so just do some research and yes you’ll find an easy to draw rifle unit. But yes there are hard to draw deer tags for all weapons.

The whole conversation revolves around the idea that CO is doing something that will rock the mule deer world. So, yes, it invloves all weapon seasons, not just archery. I asked this earlier, if the tags are easy to get, what is CO doing differently to produce trophy bucks?

 

[tdhanses]

The whole conversation revolves around the idea that CO is doing something that will rock the mule deer world. So, yes, it invloves all weapon seasons, not just archery. I asked this earlier, if the tags are easy to get, what is CO doing differently to produce trophy bucks?

Oh on your other post your whole point was about rifle allocation and difficulty to draw or not. Point being no it isn’t difficult to draw.

 

[N2TRKYS]

Oh on your other post your whole point was about rifle allocation and difficulty to draw or not. Point being no it isn’t difficult to draw.

Are those the ares that the big deer are coming from?

 

[tdhanses]

Are those the ares that the big deer are coming from?

There are big deer all throughout CO. I don’t know what units the 3 300” came out of but in my otc elk unit it takes 0-1 pt for all weapons and a few 200” bucks have come out of it and a bunch of great bucks. But I would assume that is what Robby meant, he isn’t going to say the exact points the unit took as that would really narrow down peoples research to figure it out.

But in the end with less then 3pts there are a ton of deer opportunities in CO that can and do produce great bucks.

 

[N2TRKYS]

There are big deer all throughout CO. I don’t know what units the 3 300” came out of but in my otc elk unit it takes 0-1 pt for all weapons and a few 200” bucks have come out of it and a bunch of great bucks. But I would assume that is what Robby meant, he isn’t going to say the exact points the unit took as that would really narrow down peoples research to figure it out.

But in the end with less then 3pts there are a ton of deer opportunities in CO that can and do produce great bucks.

If tags for all weapons are easy to get, then what management is CO doing to produce trophy animals?

 

[dirtytough]

Are those the ares that the big deer are coming from?

I already told you the amount of points it took for the 2 rifle bucks that were 300". Not sure why you keep asking?

 

[tdhanses]

If tags for all weapons are easy to get, then what management is CO doing to produce trophy animals?

Guess CO is just better habitat.

 

[robby denning]

If tags for all weapons are easy to get, then what management is CO doing to produce trophy animals?

tags for all weapons are NOT easy to get

I don't mean to be rude, but I've written several long posts in this thread anwering that question.

Colorado went to statewide limted tags. Don't know what else to tell you. If you're underwhelmed with this buck and the fact that Colorado has put out three in less than a dozen years, maybe this thread isn't for you.

 

[hobbes]

They aren't all easy to get. Each season in each unit has an allocated number of tags based off what the biologist thinks the herd can withstand. Combine that with great genetics and you'll have more big bucks than say MT. I don't believe we have quite the genetics and we have a general season that runs through the rut.

That is what CO has done. Even if they sell 50,000 tags (I have no idea), all 50,000 do not get to hunt archery and rifle season from September 1 to Thanksgiving wherever they would like. Each tag holder has limited days in a specific area.

 

[mtmuley]

Goodbye draw odds where this buck was killed. Kinda like the Montana bull. mtmuley

 

[N2TRKYS]

tags for all weapons are NOT easy to get

I don't mean to be rude, but I've written several long posts in this thread anwering that question.

Colorado went to statewide limted tags. Don't know what else to tell you. If you're underwhelmed with this buck and the fact that Colorado has put out three in less than a dozen years, maybe this thread isn't for you.

Point creep and tag allocations are nothing new. Some here said that rifle tags with bucks like was posted are easy to get with little to no points.

I've been asking a simple question but have gotten different answers, which explains alot.

Good luck with the draws next season and happy hunting.

 

[tdhanses]

Point creep and tag allocations are nothing new. Some here said that rifle tags with bucks like was posted are easy to get with little to no points.

I've been asking a simple question but have gotten different answers, which explains alot.

Good luck with the draws next season and happy hunting.

So do you just need to know that buck was shot in a unit that took 0pts?

To me if it takes less then 5pts it’s easy to draw and can be hunted a few times, but what about low point unit is confusing? Is a low point unit 0pts in your mind?

I think you are just confusing yourself and not following what everyone is saying.

 

[N2TRKYS]

So do you just need to know that buck was shot in a unit that took 0pts?

To me if it takes less then 5pts it’s easy to draw and can be hunted a few times, but what about low point unit is confusing? Is a low point unit 0pts in your mind?

I think you are just confusing yourself and not following what everyone is saying.

I’m not confused at all. I just thought this was gonna be a more in-depth conversation based off the thread title, but I guess not. I’m tired of trying to have that conversation, since apparently no one else wants to.
Y’all carry on. If it gets more in-depth, I’ll be interested in following it more closely.

 

[BeaverHunter]

I’m not confused at all. I just thought this was gonna be a more in-depth conversation based off the thread title, but I guess not. I’m tired of trying to have that conversation, since apparently no one else wants to.
Y’all carry on. If it gets more in-depth, I’ll be interested in following it more closely.

I think multiple people(myself included) are confused as to what you’re trying to find out/have a conversation about. I think Robby started this thread to show off a really cool buck and highlight the fact that Colorado has done an awesome job with their mule deer management. I think he and others have made the point that several of these bucks have come from areas that don’t take many points/years to draw and hunt which is even better.