New TMK announced

[Deerfield]

Or 6-284

I wonder what kind of speed you could expect with the 117 out of a 6-284 with an 18-20” barrel. You have me thinking now.

 

[Kaleb]

I'm sure most of you talking about a 6-284 are going to use a Tikka but years ago I had some 6.5-284's. They fed but I had to be easy with them. Seems like on occasion I would have to help a round too. This was with adl Remingtons not mag fed though. I wonder if a 6-06 would feed better depending on the rifle type being used?

I have some sentimental model 70's that were gifts. One is a 300win one was a 30-06 I made a 280AI out of a long time ago. I've no use for the 300 and would like to rebarrel it to a big 6 if the long action won't cause feeding problems. At some point I would like to redo the 280 to a 6mm but due to the 6.5-284 I've kinda thought about a 6-06. Just curious and tossing it out there.

 

[AZ_Hunter]

I'm sure most of you talking about a 6-284 are going to use a Tikka but years ago I had some 6.5-284's. They fed but I had to be easy with them. Seems like on occasion I would have to help a round too. This was with adl Remingtons not mag fed though. I wonder if a 6-06 would feed better depending on the rifle type being used?

I have some sentimental model 70's that were gifts. One is a 300win one was a 30-06 I made a 280AI out of a long time ago. I've no use for the 300 and would like to rebarrel it to a big 6 if the long action won't cause feeding problems. At some point I would like to redo the 280 to a 6mm but due to the 6.5-284 I've kinda thought about a 6-06. Just curious and tossing it out there.

The 284 case works perfect with tikkas. There’s a lot of guys with them.

I would like @hereinaz to do one of this groups buys in one.

The only hang up I have in doing it is in an 18-20” barrel based on using AI to collect and analyze data, a 243AI is projected to get the same velocities with less powder.

 

[justin davis]

Looks like some cool offerings. I’m interested in trying the 117 out of a 6 creed. The 88’s in a 22 creed and the 153 in a prc.

 

[eoperator]

The 135g .25 will likely be my do it all bullet. I bet alot of these will be sold for nrl.

 

[ruger35]

Is speed necessary when the tmk family hash shown to upset reliably 200-400 fps slower than eldm?

If that is the case, then no. I didn't pick up on that reading through some older threads on the TMK's. Thanks.

 

[hereinaz]

The 284 case works perfect with tikkas. There’s a lot of guys with them.

I would like @hereinaz to do one of this groups buys in one.

The only hang up I have in doing it is in an 18-20” barrel based on using AI to collect and analyze data, a 243AI is projected to get the same velocities with less powder.

This has been my problem with the x 284, real world numbers disappointed me compared to the cases just below and just above for case capacity. If I want more than the 243/creed I just go to the 6PRC.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

This has been my problem with the x 284, real world numbers disappointed me compared to the cases just below and just above for case capacity. If I want more than the 243/creed I just go to the 6PRC.

My 16” 6 Creed is a 700-800 yard killing gun depending on DA.

I don’t think folks realize not only their capabilities (lack of) or their guns capabilities (way further than their abilities).

There’s probably only a dozen or so folks on this site that should even be trying to kill past 800. Even though everyone thinks they are that guy, I’ve seen nothing but the opposite.

 

[hereinaz]

My 16” 6 Creed is a 700-800 yard killing gun depending on DA.

I don’t think folks realize not only their capabilities (lack of) or their guns capabilities (way further than their abilities).

There’s probably only a dozen or so folks on this site that should even be trying to kill past 800. Even though everyone thinks they are that guy, I’ve seen nothing but the opposite.

Agreed, that is the bottom line. My 14” 22 creed is right there with your 16” 6 creed, lol.

I will still engage in the ballistic discussions. It’s fun. And, sells barrels…

I do like the 6 PRC for better wind inside that 600-700, but I have a 16” 6 creed I would take hunting anywhere.

 

[Kaleb]

I don't think everyone wanting or discussing shooting a bullet faster is trying to kill past 800 yards. That might be the logical reason to shoot faster but some might be doing it for a slight wind advantage or most likely just shits and giggles. I fall in the latter category. I don't have a big 6 but it's interesting to me but not for killing any farther away. I don't need anything other than 223's and 6cm's but I like messing with other things. No practical reason...grin.

 

[hereinaz]

I don't think everyone wanting or discussing shooting a bullet faster is trying to kill past 800 yards. That might be the logical reason to shoot faster but some might be doing it for a slight wind advantage or most likely just shits and giggles. I fall in the latter category. I don't have a big 6 but it's interesting to me but not for killing any farther away. I don't need anything other than 223's and 6cm's but I like messing with other things. No practical reason...grin.

Yes. Wind. I suck so a bit more velocity doesn’t hurt.

 

[Kaleb]

Yes. Wind. I suck so a bit more velocity doesn’t hurt.

I've already admitted I don't need it but all kidding aside I like the idea of shooting a possibly better/heavier/longer bullet in a 18" barrel and getting roughly the same velocity as my longer barreled 6cm with 105's. I'll also raise my hand and move to the front of the class and say I suck in the wind too. Where I live and hunt its a non issue most of the time though. I've never faced a hunting shot where the animal was 500 yards and had to compensate for 15+ mph winds. It's not like that here in the terrain I hunt. Out west I've been lucky enough that I haven't had the wind and in most cases not had a shot opportunity so it didn't matter......lol
I practise to 650 but not like I should. I have scopes and information to take longer shots if the situation is perfect enough but most of the time the kills are 75-150 yards. I'd bet a dollar if I rebarrel something to a big 6 the first kill would be a doe at 143 yards.....grin.

 

[AZ_Hunter]

My 16” 6 Creed is a 700-800 yard killing gun depending on DA.

I don’t think folks realize not only their capabilities (lack of) or their guns capabilities (way further than their abilities).

There’s probably only a dozen or so folks on this site that should even be trying to kill past 800. Even though everyone thinks they are that guy, I’ve seen nothing but the opposite.

It’s the not increased killing distance that appeals to me. Just the increase in speed for a better MPBR for my wife, shits and giggles and also for Hammers.

 

[AZ_Hunter]

I don't think everyone wanting or discussing shooting a bullet faster is trying to kill past 800 yards. That might be the logical reason to shoot faster but some might be doing it for a slight wind advantage or most likely just shits and giggles. I fall in the latter category. I don't have a big 6 but it's interesting to me but not for killing any farther away. I don't need anything other than 223's and 6cm's but I like messing with other things. No practical reason...grin.

Yeah that. Haha.

I’m a handloader, and while I was/am tired of wildcatting, my nerd tendencies always pull me back for the fun factor.

I’ll probably do 243AI so I can grab factory ammo for plinking/training.

Playing around and getting a 117 from an 18” suppressed barrel would be sweet. My buddy’s 25-06 we chopped to 19” is basically doing the same.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

I don't think everyone wanting or discussing shooting a bullet faster is trying to kill past 800 yards. That might be the logical reason to shoot faster but some might be doing it for a slight wind advantage or most likely just shits and giggles. I fall in the latter category. I don't have a big 6 but it's interesting to me but not for killing any farther away. I don't need anything other than 223's and 6cm's but I like messing with other things. No practical reason...grin.

I get that and am guilty as well.

The thing is, it’s only a “wind advantage” if you can wind call the discrepancy. Relying on a better “wind number gun” doesn’t translate to more hits if you suck at reading and calling wind. Despite everyone seeming to think that it does.

 

[Kaleb]

I get that and am guilty as well.

The thing is, it’s only a “wind advantage” if you can wind call the discrepancy. Relying on a better “wind number gun” doesn’t translate to more hits if you suck at reading and calling wind. Despite everyone seeming to think that it does.

This just shows my ignorance. I was under the impression that the same bullet going faster would drift less than a bullet going slower. I also admitted to being in the shits and giggles category though.

 

[khuber84]

This just shows my ignorance. I was under the impression that the same bullet going faster would drift less than a bullet going slower. I also admitted to being in the shits and giggles category though.

A bullet going faster does drift less, due to less flight time, less wind affect dwell time. 200fps doesn't make a lot of difference, likely not enough significance that'd it be lost in the noise of the shooter/system cone of fire. Now 400fps faster is likely plottable on paper and field results. 400fps is still just 0.1 mill less at 600y with a 300g7 bullet, 2900 VS 3300. 1/3 moa less drift. A 300 VS 330g7 bullet at same 2900mv, also decreases the drift by that same 0.1mil.

The only real way to make big cuts in wind drift affects on trajectory, is to go with big heavy high bc bullets and push them fast, which now gives recoil management and shootability issues.

 

[Deadspace]

My 16” 6 Creed is a 700-800 yard killing gun depending on DA.

I don’t think folks realize not only their capabilities (lack of) or their guns capabilities (way further than their abilities).

There’s probably only a dozen or so folks on this site that should even be trying to kill past 800. Even though everyone thinks they are that guy, I’ve seen nothing but the opposite.

This is why I quickly decided I didn’t need a 6UM even though I really wanted one. My 16” 6 creed is just like yours, effective out to 800 or so yards depending on where I’m at. I’m not that good and I know it so the gains of the 6UM are worthless for me and just add more recoil.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

This is why I quickly decided I didn’t need a 6UM even though I really wanted one. My 16” 6 creed is just like yours, effective out to 800 or so yards depending on where I’m at. I’m not that good and I know it so the gains of the 6UM are worthless for me and just add more recoil.

Yeah and 30 shots per barrel is pretty gay.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

A bullet going faster does drift less, due to less flight time, less wind affect dwell time. 200fps doesn't make a lot of difference, likely not enough significance that'd it be lost in the noise of the shooter/system cone of fire. And WAY lost in the shooters ability to call the wind to begin with. Now 400fps faster is likely plottable on paper and field results. 400fps is still just 0.1 mill less at 600y with a 300g7 bullet, 2900 VS 3300. 1/3 moa less drift. A 300 VS 330g7 bullet at same 2900mv, also decreases the drift by that same 0.1mil.

The only real way to make big cuts in wind drift affects on trajectory, is to go with big heavy high bc bullets and push them fast, which now gives recoil management and shootability issues.

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