New TMK announced

[amassi]

I just want whatever version 6mm I can get in reliable factory loads. I feel like I roll the dice with hornady lots these days

Besides the 77tmk, Does anyone besides boutique outlets and Fed LEO load TMK in factory form?

Federal has a 110 tipped fusion coming, not sure they’d load the 107 with a sierra bullet but options would be nice


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[mxgsfmdpx]

147 Ms have never posed an issue for me in killing, however, I have a ton more experience with 143 Xs and 129 SSTs going back over a decade.

I’ve been pretty vocal and consistent for years on here favoring SSTs and ELDXs over the Ms for killing, once you get below the 6.5mm. Just my personal observations. I recall most favoring Ms and questioning why I favored Xs and SSTs.

I think folks are getting a bit wrapped around the axle with this. Ms are still good bullets that kill well (I have seen personal issues with 108s, 88s, and 80s but they’ve still always led to dead animals).

Unfortunately, lately, the factory loaded offerings and bullets lot to lot from Hornady have been frustrating to say the least. This is not just Ms, this is the Xs and SSTs as well. Being nearly out of old lot numbers that were fantastic I’ve had to go back to the drawing board a bit this year.

156 and 115 Bergers have been incredibly consistent from accuracy and in flight performance, and have been good killers this year, but it’s still fairly low volume to make strong claims (around two dozen kills between myself and @huntnful). And he and I both tend to place shots with a high degree of killing potential.

Always happy to see more good killing bullet options. I’d love to mess around with the 6.5 and below options if they become attainable. Maybe even throw some 7mm through the 7SAUM but that will likely be complete overkill on animals.

 

[mtnbound]

We all are dubious of that.




You are reading it wrong. There are shooters that are trying different versions and will determine which it is.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[blacktailcentral]

@Formidilosus where do the matchking x fit in your hunting bullet preference, and do you think these new tmks will perform better than the matchking x and smks

 

[Formidilosus]

@Formidilosus where do the matchking x fit in your hunting bullet preference, and do you think these new tmks will perform better than the matchking x and smks

I haven’t used the X’s enough to say, the 6mm version has a pretty low BC for weight. As for TMK’s, there isn’t another bullet other than the Partition that is as consistent.

 

[Helislacker]

Interesting. If kept above 2000 fps in 6.5mm would your preference still be 143, 147/156?

Those are the most available for me, TMKs are a rare find in Canada unfortunately…

There are multiple places to get them online in Canada right meow


As an aside. I’ve had bad experiences with 140 ELD-M’s both this season and last. I don’t want to move on because I hate reloading but I think it’s time. I found the 42.0gr h4350/140 ELDM at factory length shoots lights out, now I just need to find the equivalent load with TMK’s. Or I just shoot this barrel out once and for all and move to a 6mm for a fresh start.

 

[J.B.]

There are multiple places to get them online in Canada right meow


As an aside. I’ve had bad experiences with 140 ELD-M’s both this season and last. I don’t want to move on because I hate reloading but I think it’s time. I found the 42.0gr h4350/140 ELDM at factory length shoots lights out, now I just need to find the equivalent load with TMK’s. Or I just shoot this barrel out once and for all and move to a 6mm for a fresh start.

Good to know. Been out of reloading for a bit, but want to start again. Should probably dig a little deeper for some online sources.

 

[nm.otter]

I’m pessimistic about Sierras ability to make enough to support the demand and seeing’s how they still don’t know the exact weight means to me it’s low on their priority list.

You are reading it wrong. There are shooters that are trying different versions and will determine which it is.

Definitely

Listen to interviews with any of the bullet manufacturers' ballisticians and engineers and you will hear references to all manner of grain weights as designs progressed.

 

[Anschutz]

It will be interesting to see what the BCs are. These could be good for matches and hunting.

Part of me wants to put a .223 Palma rifle together bolt specifically around the 85.5 Fullbore or 88gr ELD-M (Or TMK now) but that's for a different forum.

 

[pathnz]

I kill hundreds of animals a year, I mainly use 80gr ELDM, they work wonderfully and are not in any way terminally inconsistent

 

[Scottyboy]

We have been sworn to that it won’t. For what that is worth.

Please tell me that “we” includes Unknown and that they can/will load for us non-reloaders when they are eventually released? I’d be first in line for an 88 22cm

 

[ianpadron]

153s are definitely going to be seated on top of a max charge of 4831SC in my 6.5x284, the whole list looks legit but oh man that 153 is gonna be mean.

 

[Wiscgunner]

From the linked press release on pg 1.
"With the proprietary acetyl resin tips added and ogive dimension changes, the ballistic coefficient is even further enhanced to increase down-range performance. "

Perhaps a bit more like the ELDM line?

 

[43.6N]

https://www.drgunsupply.com/product/sierra-bullets-.22cal-.224-88gr-tipped-match-king-100ct

Looks like at least 1 online retailer has pricing up on their webpage.
$39.99/100 with discount for the 88’s

 

[Dioni A]

My RS crystal ball agrees.
It’s a small club and we ain’t in it.
If you’ve been paying attention the most vociferous are already changing tune on many of the old tried and true rs specials.
Few years ago the ELD-M was the “ELD-Murder” now it’s unpredictable.

The caps on the maven are so aggressively knurled you’re lucky if they don’t twist all the way off walking to your glassing knob. Better glove up if you need to dial


Classifieds finna be lit with 77 and 95 TMKs, 115 Dtacs and all manner of Hornady eld bullets. Then if the scope ever hits bar the doors as a flood of Mavens, trijicon and nightforce hit the classifieds.


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For the record I started the ELD-MURDER moniker and still shoot them almost exclusively with very little intention to change. The 88s are the exception as they're the only one that's tough to get good accuracy with. I recently tried the Berger 85.5 and this was the only way I could make it palatable. (I've previously talked a bunch of shit about bergers to my friends)

That's a sharpie red colored tip FYI

 

[Dioni A]

I’m stoked.
But it’s tempered by how frustrated I was recently trying to get 80eldx and 88eldm to shoot in my 22 creed. Never even got the chance to see how they would do in animals because of finicky groups. No matter what powder or seating depth I tried. Ended up thankfully finding a gem loaded with 77tmk. I know I wasn’t the only one to experience this frustration in the 22cm.

In my mind, the BC of the 88eldm is effectively 0 if I can’t get it to shoot consistently in my gun.

So with these new tmk’s, I want to see these bullets first hand. How they shoot and tune with my equipment. I hope we find that they shoot great, and are just as terminally effective as we’ve come to expect.
But I’m also a little worried. Hopefully Sierra didn’t change the recipe that seems to make the TMK work.

The 85.5 berger have been accurate in 100% of the 22 creeds my group has tried them in and been violent on 3 deer and 2 elk so far with less than 100 yards tracking for 5 animal. All shots between 350 and 650.

 

[Matt5266]

Was just about to buy some 108 eldm to work a load for my 243. I think I'll hold off a bit and see what unravels over the winter.

 

[BjornF16]

Yes, almost always. When they don’t upset like they should, they produce wounds more like Terminal Ascents below 2,000fps impact.

Not that you are, but somehow this is getting misconstrued as to what is happening or being said. We are not saying “ELD-M’s suck”. We are saying some of them can be variable in their behavior- and it’s the wrong way. When they do something odd, it isn’t “massive huge wounds”- it’s lack of wound channel width. Unfortunately much like Hornady’s lot to lot inconsistency in loaded ammo- it seems to be getting worse.

Personally every real bullet I have seen “fail” in ballistics gel testing and in animals has been from a lack of upset- not exploding and failing to penetrate to the vitals.

Form, just to clarify...are you saying the variable behavior of some ELD-Ms include impacts above 2,000 fps or primarily below 2,000 fps?

 

[RancherJohn]

Unfortunately, lately, the factory loaded offerings and bullets lot to lot from Hornady have been frustrating to say the least. This is not just Ms, this is the Xs and SSTs as well. Being nearly out of old lot numbers that were fantastic I’ve had to go back to the drawing board a bit this year.

This is where I am currently too. I bought quite a bit of 143 and 147s at the start of covid and am down to my last few hundred of each. They have been highly consistent in both terminal performance and velocity, but with the end of these lots in sight I am looking to what's next. Very curious to hear/see where these new bullets land in the realm of consistency and availability. I have a few lots of 6mm flavors on hand to work through as well, but the reports of wild variations in velocity (all seem to vary in the downward direction) don't give me a lot of hope for a long-term replacement.

 

[Rockpicker]

My RS crystal ball agrees.
It’s a small club and we ain’t in it.
If you’ve been paying attention the most vociferous are already changing tune on many of the old tried and true rs specials.
Few years ago the ELD-M was the “ELD-Murder” now it’s unpredictable.

The caps on the maven are so aggressively knurled you’re lucky if they don’t twist all the way off walking to your glassing knob. Better glove up if you need to dial


Classifieds finna be lit with 77 and 95 TMKs, 115 Dtacs and all manner of Hornady eld bullets. Then if the scope ever hits bar the doors as a flood of Mavens, trijicon and nightforce hit the classifieds.


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You’re not wrong. The “I’ve never used it” crowd are somehow the experts. It’s like reading Google AI at the top of their search page.