New rifle dirty barrel?

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Thought you lived in Durango, CO and not HI ?????

 

[ElDiablito]

Just sent a PM to a CVA rep I know. Hopefully he'll answer with what the correct corrosion inhibitor CVA uses.

So…we’re all dying to know - does CVA use Cosmoline in their muzzleloader barrels?

 

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So…we’re all dying to know - does CVA use Cosmoline in their muzzleloader barrels?

Still waiting on Barry..................

 

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Fact is they shoot a pressure test round thru every rifle and if it still functions they ship it. LOL

On the other site, a poster there would totally disagree with you.
Nothing worked on a Savage they had and it would not fire. It was sent back to Savage... no news on it yet.

"I ask your forgiveness for my skeptical opinion here. But I think quality control is becoming a thing of the past. Maybe its more like planned obsolescence is the goal. In the past few months my 5 year old refrigerator quit making ice. Call a repair guy and its $160.00 to show up and gives us an estimate of $640.00 to fix it. REALLY??? He knows hes not welcome here anymore. I hear all the engines being trashed in some of the new model vehicles. My buddy bought a Savage A-22 in 22 Mag and between not feeding, not extracting, or not firing, its very disappointing. Paid nearly $800.00 for a thumb-hole laminated stock. Its back at Savage now. If this gun had been tested it should not have ever left the factory."

 

[ElDiablito]

Still waiting on Barry..................

 

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It is claimed that EVERY firearm manufacturer shoots EVERY NEW FIREARM before its boxed up and shipped to a retailer. It appears that most manufacturers state that they fire a MINIMUM of three rounds in every new rifle built. Some think that it is the reason why new barrels need cleaning. Cosmoline of one type or another is used by some manufacturers, (Krieger barrels, Winchester/Browning) including the military and others. There are other substances to stop corrosion in a rifle barrel that may set on a rack or in a box for who knows how long, that's applied by the manufacturer. Cosmoline is still being used and is not antiquated.

First one has to realize the legalities. If you call, say Savage, and ask them if they test fire each new firearm, what would you expect their answer would be?
Every day someone, somewhere, is trying to eliminate our 2nd Amendment rights. Every day. When a person calls Savage and asks the question, Savage has no clue who they are talking with. They have no clue rather it's a "John Doe", or someone that may be from the ATF, or any of the anti-gun groups. They have no clue who's calling. They have no clue if it's some attorney seeking information for a possible lawsuit.

It's a lot like politics................... Tell them what you want them to know, not what you know. Of course, every one of the manufacturers are going to say, 'Every rifle is test fired'. It's to cover their ask legally.

Think about the inventory of all the different calibers, gauges, etc., that each firearm manufacturer must have in order to fire 3 rounds in each firearm built. I don't know, but can you imagine the magazine they must have for storage of all those rounds???

Let's take a look at some data...........

So, if there are 26,780 firearms produced in the U.S. each day, then there must be at minimum 80,340 rounds fired by the manufacturers daily in the U.S.

Of the 9,772,259 firearms built in 2023, that would mean that at minimum, manufacturers fired 29,316,777 test rounds in a year's time.

Lots of questions to be asked. 80,340 rounds fired daily is one heck of a cost, not only for the testing ammunition, but also for cleaning a fired firearm, storage, labor, etc.

Yes, they'll function test, but live fire every rifle built? BS

How about it, we're buying "used firearms"....................

 

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You try him...........

 

[Kyguy]

You really think that spending $.50 each on 3 shots is cost prohibitive for manufacturing testing and QC? In the quantities they buy the ammo, it's probably not even .50 a round. You act like it's an expense that's not being recouped through the cost of the rifle to the consumer. You think that's NOT built into the cost of the rifle to the consumer? Of course it is.

Let's run some numbers then using your data.... 9,772,259 firearms x $800 (arbitrary average firearm cost) equals $7,817,807,200. That's 7.8 BILLION.

29,316,777 x1.50 equals $43,975,165.50

If they spent 1% on the cost of ammo, that's $78,172,072.

$43,975,165.50..... That's .006%. ACROSS AN ENTIRE INDUSTRY.

According to Google, https://www.coriolisagency.com/top-...guide-to-americas-leading-firearms-companies/

There's 3,757 licensed firearms manufacturers in the United States.

$43,975,165.50 divided by 3,757 is $11,704.86 per manufacturer for the year. Of course, small companies will not spend that much, and large companies obviously spend much more.

Now.... there are members on this forum who claim to shoot several thousands of rounds a year. THEY, as individuals, can afford to do that.... but an $8 billion (conservatively) industry CAN'T afford to do it? Especially at the bulk pricing they're going to get on the ammo compared to what the retail consumer is paying?

Do you realize how ludicrous that sounds?

 

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CVA...........



Still trying to find where Dudley McGarity, general manager at BPI, stated that not all BPI/CVA firearms are fired before boxed and leaving for retailers. Its there someplace........ I'll continue to look.

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[ElDiablito]

You try him...........

I think I will. He’s probably ignoring you….

 

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I think I will............

 

[WCB]

I decided to take you up on this challenge. So far, Savage, Winchester, and Springfield Armory have replied. THEY EACH SAY EVERY RIFLE IS TEST FIRED FOR FUNCTION BEFORE IT LEAVES THE FACTORY.

I'll update as/if I get more replies from other companies. I also emailed Ruger, Remington, Weatherby, Christensen, Seekins, Howa and Henry. I figured that it would be enough.

I'd take it with a grain of salt. I work in the industry and have seen "function tested" firearms sent without extractors on them. This was from a company known for "higher quality" than the ones you got replies from and in your second set of companies you are waiting on replies for.

Also, in the 3 that have replied to you...2 I know and have dealt with individually with high number of certain models of theirs having issues out of the box that can not be missed during function testing.

 

[PNWMLB]

So…we’re all dying to know - does CVA use Cosmoline in their muzzleloader barrels?

To me it only makes sense they would use Vaseline! We are talking about CVA here!

PNWMLB

 

[BooneHunter]

lol, to close the loop on this, the rifle shoots very well, no issues despite dirty bore from factory.

 

[ElDiablito]

To me it only makes sense they would use Vaseline! We are talking about CVA here!

PNWMLB

Yeah, but they should apply it to the outside…..

 

[Gone4Days]

Well, I can tell you this..................... do yourself a favor and call CVA and ask them if each and every NEW rifle they sell have all been test fired. The answer I guarantee you're going to get is................ NO.
Why do I know this.............. Go over to the CVA FB site, which may have been the original Paramount site, and do a search. CVA/BPI answered that EXACT question, and it was.................. NO.

I'll also tell you this too............ Call the manufacturer of the factory rifles you've purchased and ask them the same question............ DO YOU TEST FIRE EVERY NEW PRODUCTION RIFLE BEFORE IT LEAVES THE MANUFACTURER? Guaranteed you'll get the identical answer. NO.

Can you even imagine the MASSIVE EXPENSES a manufacturer would have test firing every rifle they build???
Can you imagine the different number of bullets, let alone the different propellants and primers that would be involved in test firing EVERY new rifle? Muzzleloader or CF.
It’s not possible and it doesn't happen. Period.

just here to say this dude needs to get laid or something.

 

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just here to say this dude needs to get laid or something.

To late...............

 

[ElDiablito]

To late...............

You’re already pregnant !?