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Thought you lived in Durango, CO and not HI ?????
New rifle dirty barrel?
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So…we’re all dying to know - does CVA use Cosmoline in their muzzleloader barrels?
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Still waiting on Barry..................
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On the other site, a poster there would totally disagree with you.
Nothing worked on a Savage they had and it would not fire. It was sent back to Savage... no news on it yet.
"I ask your forgiveness for my skeptical opinion here. But I think quality control is becoming a thing of the past. Maybe its more like planned obsolescence is the goal. In the past few months my 5 year old refrigerator quit making ice. Call a repair guy and its $160.00 to show up and gives us an estimate of $640.00 to fix it. REALLY??? He knows hes not welcome here anymore. I hear all the engines being trashed in some of the new model vehicles. My buddy bought a Savage A-22 in 22 Mag and between not feeding, not extracting, or not firing, its very disappointing. Paid nearly $800.00 for a thumb-hole laminated stock. Its back at Savage now. If this gun had been tested it should not have ever left the factory."
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It is claimed that EVERY firearm manufacturer shoots EVERY NEW FIREARM before its boxed up and shipped to a retailer. It appears that most manufacturers state that they fire a MINIMUM of three rounds in every new rifle built. Some think that it is the reason why new barrels need cleaning. Cosmoline of one type or another is used by some manufacturers, (Krieger barrels, Winchester/Browning) including the military and others. There are other substances to stop corrosion in a rifle barrel that may set on a rack or in a box for who knows how long, that's applied by the manufacturer. Cosmoline is still being used and is not antiquated.
First one has to realize the legalities. If you call, say Savage, and ask them if they test fire each new firearm, what would you expect their answer would be?
Every day someone, somewhere, is trying to eliminate our 2nd Amendment rights. Every day. When a person calls Savage and asks the question, Savage has no clue who they are talking with. They have no clue rather it's a "John Doe", or someone that may be from the ATF, or any of the anti-gun groups. They have no clue who's calling. They have no clue if it's some attorney seeking information for a possible lawsuit.
It's a lot like politics................... Tell them what you want them to know, not what you know. Of course, every one of the manufacturers are going to say, 'Every rifle is test fired'. It's to cover their ask legally.
Think about the inventory of all the different calibers, gauges, etc., that each firearm manufacturer must have in order to fire 3 rounds in each firearm built. I don't know, but can you imagine the magazine they must have for storage of all those rounds???
Let's take a look at some data...........
So, if there are 26,780 firearms produced in the U.S. each day, then there must be at minimum 80,340 rounds fired by the manufacturers daily in the U.S.
Of the 9,772,259 firearms built in 2023, that would mean that at minimum, manufacturers fired 29,316,777 test rounds in a year's time.
Lots of questions to be asked. 80,340 rounds fired daily is one heck of a cost, not only for the testing ammunition, but also for cleaning a fired firearm, storage, labor, etc.
Yes, they'll function test, but live fire every rifle built? BS
How about it, we're buying "used firearms"....................
First one has to realize the legalities. If you call, say Savage, and ask them if they test fire each new firearm, what would you expect their answer would be?
Every day someone, somewhere, is trying to eliminate our 2nd Amendment rights. Every day. When a person calls Savage and asks the question, Savage has no clue who they are talking with. They have no clue rather it's a "John Doe", or someone that may be from the ATF, or any of the anti-gun groups. They have no clue who's calling. They have no clue if it's some attorney seeking information for a possible lawsuit.
It's a lot like politics................... Tell them what you want them to know, not what you know. Of course, every one of the manufacturers are going to say, 'Every rifle is test fired'. It's to cover their ask legally.
Think about the inventory of all the different calibers, gauges, etc., that each firearm manufacturer must have in order to fire 3 rounds in each firearm built. I don't know, but can you imagine the magazine they must have for storage of all those rounds???
Let's take a look at some data...........
So, if there are 26,780 firearms produced in the U.S. each day, then there must be at minimum 80,340 rounds fired by the manufacturers daily in the U.S.
Of the 9,772,259 firearms built in 2023, that would mean that at minimum, manufacturers fired 29,316,777 test rounds in a year's time.
Lots of questions to be asked. 80,340 rounds fired daily is one heck of a cost, not only for the testing ammunition, but also for cleaning a fired firearm, storage, labor, etc.
Yes, they'll function test, but live fire every rifle built? BS
How about it, we're buying "used firearms"....................
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You try him...........
You really think that spending $.50 each on 3 shots is cost prohibitive for manufacturing testing and QC? In the quantities they buy the ammo, it's probably not even .50 a round. You act like it's an expense that's not being recouped through the cost of the rifle to the consumer. You think that's NOT built into the cost of the rifle to the consumer? Of course it is.
Let's run some numbers then using your data.... 9,772,259 firearms x $800 (arbitrary average firearm cost) equals $7,817,807,200. That's 7.8 BILLION.
29,316,777 x1.50 equals $43,975,165.50
If they spent 1% on the cost of ammo, that's $78,172,072.
$43,975,165.50..... That's .006%. ACROSS AN ENTIRE INDUSTRY.
According to Google, https://www.coriolisagency.com/top-...guide-to-americas-leading-firearms-companies/
There's 3,757 licensed firearms manufacturers in the United States.
$43,975,165.50 divided by 3,757 is $11,704.86 per manufacturer for the year. Of course, small companies will not spend that much, and large companies obviously spend much more.
Now.... there are members on this forum who claim to shoot several thousands of rounds a year. THEY, as individuals, can afford to do that.... but an $8 billion (conservatively) industry CAN'T afford to do it? Especially at the bulk pricing they're going to get on the ammo compared to what the retail consumer is paying?
Do you realize how ludicrous that sounds?
Let's run some numbers then using your data.... 9,772,259 firearms x $800 (arbitrary average firearm cost) equals $7,817,807,200. That's 7.8 BILLION.
29,316,777 x1.50 equals $43,975,165.50
If they spent 1% on the cost of ammo, that's $78,172,072.
$43,975,165.50..... That's .006%. ACROSS AN ENTIRE INDUSTRY.
According to Google, https://www.coriolisagency.com/top-...guide-to-americas-leading-firearms-companies/
There's 3,757 licensed firearms manufacturers in the United States.
$43,975,165.50 divided by 3,757 is $11,704.86 per manufacturer for the year. Of course, small companies will not spend that much, and large companies obviously spend much more.
Now.... there are members on this forum who claim to shoot several thousands of rounds a year. THEY, as individuals, can afford to do that.... but an $8 billion (conservatively) industry CAN'T afford to do it? Especially at the bulk pricing they're going to get on the ammo compared to what the retail consumer is paying?
Do you realize how ludicrous that sounds?
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CVA...........
Still trying to find where Dudley McGarity, general manager at BPI, stated that not all BPI/CVA firearms are fired before boxed and leaving for retailers. Its there someplace........ I'll continue to look.
Still trying to find where Dudley McGarity, general manager at BPI, stated that not all BPI/CVA firearms are fired before boxed and leaving for retailers. Its there someplace........ I'll continue to look.
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I think I will. He’s probably ignoring you….You try him...........
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I'd take it with a grain of salt. I work in the industry and have seen "function tested" firearms sent without extractors on them. This was from a company known for "higher quality" than the ones you got replies from and in your second set of companies you are waiting on replies for.
Also, in the 3 that have replied to you...2 I know and have dealt with individually with high number of certain models of theirs having issues out of the box that can not be missed during function testing.
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