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[Ten Bears]

Mt Taylor herds were apparently, shot out. The DOW went to primitive weapons only some years ago and cut back total elk tags but it was too late. You can’t take that many herd bulls out of the rut along with post-rut cows and expect the herds to stay stable. Drought and predators factor in but the number of tags should be adjusted accordingly. There are some elk in Marquez WMA.

Unit 53 has well over a hundred Unit Wide Mature Bull tags. There also quite a few post-rut cow hunts in GMU 53 that are unit wide landowners tags but I did not count them. Not even mentioned are the unit wide landowners tags for archery seasons which are either sex.

Look at GMU 53 on a 3D map like Basemap or OnX. It should become blatantly obvious why most of the elk are on Public Lands. That is why those ranches opted for Unit Wide land owners tags in the first place. Unit 9 and 53 are just the tip of the iceberg. There are other units with high numbers of Unit Wide Landowners tags where the herds are declining on public lands. Plummeting success rates are one indicator of herd health.

Most elk are on private in 53 ? You clearly haven’t been in 53 or bothered to look at a map.

Success rates in 53 are low because it’s a butt kicker of a hunt with the altitude and insane amounts of deadfall. Period. Has nothing to do with LO tags or elk heading to private.

The amount of dumb things that you try to pass off as facts is astonishing.

Even funnier is how many LO tags go unused in 53 or for ridiculously cheap because it’s a hard hunt.

 

[Gila]

Most elk are on private in 53 ? You clearly haven’t been in 53 or bothered to look at a map.

Success rates in 53 are low because it’s a butt kicker of a hunt with the altitude and insane amounts of deadfall. Period. Has nothing to do with LO tags or elk heading to private.

The amount of dumb things that you try to pass off as facts is astonishing.

Even funnier is how many LO tags go unused in 53 or for ridiculously cheap because it’s a hard hunt.

More blatant crap coming from you again.

Why aren’t they taking more elk on private lands then? DUH! All of that great private land holding elk opened up for public hunting? …yea right! Couldn’t be further from the truth! Being disingenuous about eplus sums it up rather well.

So you agree that Unit 9 public lands were over hunted because of e-plus management? You should, because that is what happened!

 

[Ten Bears]

More blatant crap coming from you again.

Why aren’t they taking more elk on private lands then? DUH! All of that great private land holding elk opened up for public hunting? …yea right! Couldn’t be further from the truth! Being disingenuous about eplus sums it up rather well.

So you agree that Unit 9 public lands were over hunted because of e-plus management? You should, because that is what happened!

I haven’t spent time in Unit 9 so I don’t speak on it, YOU should try it out sometimes.

How is it that every single person is wrong except you ?


Have you hunted 53 ? Do you even hunt ? The elk in 53 move out of the high country when the snow flies and move onto private (and some onto 50). if it’s early then the private is a good place to be. with how ridiculously dry it is lately in 53 they need the help of ranchers for some water and habitat. The elk numbers are fine there. What’s the argument against helping the herd and ranchers when they are helping each other. LO tags are cheap, draw odds for res are good, herd is healthy.. What is the problem ?

If you spent even a 10th of your time doing something constructive or helping a landowner or making real life connections instead of making up dumb ass arguments on the internet for whatever hidden group you rep you could easily hunt every year.