New Mexico’s super lotto

[cuerro viejo]

That was just an example. Should be obvious. i have seen and you can go count them if you want to, up to 100s of mature bull tags for a given unit. And most of those tags are used on the first rifle…first muzzie hunts. That should be obvious also.


That scenario doesn’t happen very often. Most of time those properties have roads around them or through state lands for access to other public lands.


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What unit gives out a 100 MB in the unit wide voucher at 100 tags per hunt code? It’s doesn’t exist

There are plenty of roads are closed access outside of Elk season that prevent you from accessing public lands, it’s far from a small percentage

 

[swavescatter]

In the era of clickbaiting, I don't think interviews with "NM Hunters are mostly not upset with current system" would generate much interest, clicks, etc.

 

[Ten Bears]

It is not the rosy picture you paint. I will post th link to the podcast again. Suggest everyone listen to this so they really know what is going on here.

Ep. 283: Landowner Tags and EPLUS Access with Jesse Deubel of the New Mexico Wildlife Federation | MeatEater Podcasts

For this week's interview, Cal talks with Jesse Deubel about elk tag distribution and the EPLUS system in New Mexico, why draw odds are slim for non-residents and residents alike, "Take Back Your Elk," and the new game commissioner. Connect with Cal and MeatEater Cal on Instagram and Twitter...

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Locals hunters complaining about distribution of elk tags valued near '$83-million'

Local hunters think they’re getting the raw end of the deal when it comes to handing out elk tags and are asking the state Gaming Commission to review its policies.

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You are literally posting podcast links to guys who hunt on the landowner tags.

Maybe if all these guys didn’t pimp out public land hunting they wouldn’t need to make a stupid podcast complaining about a system they use to create content.

Why is ok for every influencer, podcaster, fake non profit, gear and clothing company allowed to profit off public land hunting and use these landowner tags to make content. But when it comes to landowners they don’t get the same consideration. Add in they actually have to meet the requirements to help the wildlife.

 

[Gila]

What unit gives out a 100 MB in the unit wide voucher at 100 tags per hunt code? It’s doesn’t exist

There are plenty of roads are closed access outside of Elk season that prevent you from accessing public lands, it’s far from a small percentage

You can hunt whatever season you want. The authorization code is not a hunt code. It is unique for each ranch. You can select whatever hunt code you want with your auth code. Most people select the first rifle or first muzzie season which is during the rut in most units. I think the 50s have the most of the MB tags. 52-53 something like that. You can look it up. I have been through the landowner list so many times I am sick of it.

 

[Gila]

You are literally posting podcast links to guys who hunt on the landowner tags.

Maybe if all these guys didn’t pimp out public land hunting they wouldn’t need to make a stupid podcast complaining about a system they use to create content.

Why is ok for every influencer, podcaster, fake non profit, gear and clothing company allowed to profit off public land hunting and use these landowner tags to make content. But when it comes to landowners they don’t get the same consideration. Add in they actually have to meet the requirements to help the wildlife.

Many of the TV show hunters that hunt in New Mexico do go unit wide LO tags. Why not? It’s not a bad thing if you can afford it. They aren’t taking my hunting away. The state is giving it to them. If you can afford it why not? Is it a fair system? No! Is it a corrupt system? Yes.

 

[Ten Bears]

Many of the TV show hunters that hunt in New Mexico do go unit wide LO tags. Why not? It’s not a bad thing if you can afford it. They aren’t taking my hunting away. The state is giving it to them. If you can afford it why not? Is it a fair system? No! Is it a corrupt system? Yes.

So you think it’s fine for them to buy the tags, pimp out wildlife for the sake of profit and content. Which has made LO tags get more expensive.

But it’s somehow a corrupt system ?

 

[bayoublaster7527]

For the most part, I think SB5 was a good thing for hunting, fishing opportunity. I didn’t agree with the re-branding because all of that money spent could have gone to landowners for habitat improvement and public access to private lands. I also didn’t agree with the SNAP provisions as I feel that it is a slap on the face and does little to feed hungary children. I would rather the money be spent for endorsing Sportsmen against hunger to make it easier for hunters to donate meat to needy families.

The biggest benefit I see to SB5 was a game commission nominating committee. We need hunters and anglers, tribal members, biologists on the game commission. The private land commissioner should be a resident with family owned farms and ranches engaged in agriculture. I don’t think the private lands commissioner should have any property enrolled in a conservation easement. Case in point is if the NM Land Conservancy is a party, the contract doesn’t allow public access as a default. If the Nature Conservancy is a party to the easement, they may or may not allow any hunting at all. The Nature Conservancy’s position paper states that hunting is only allowed if absolutely necessary. They also state that many of their supporters do not want any hunting at all on any conservation easements.

The last Conservation Conference I watched on YouTube, Jesse was quite clear that he didn’t agree with much of WFA, CBD Etc. positions or view points. However they are part of Conservation Efforts and they are constituents with their own influencers. We (hunters) have to work with them if we are going to have any credibility. We need their support on some issues and in some cases, their goals intersect with ours. We will never get the support of NM outfitters with changing the system simply because the state is handing then profits on a silver platter. About the only way to get their support is if they are happy to recruit clients from public draw tag holders. They already get most of the elk plus tags As well as 10% of the public draws tags. I don’t blame outfitters for that. It’s the state that gives them their tags and clients.

Last YouTube I saw was Jesse Deubel on stage with Kevin Bixby of Wildlife For All chumming it up. I think you are sorely mistaken in thinking you will get the support of those orgs such as WFA or CBD with regard to hunting. Their whole existence is eliminating consumptive use and removing hunters/anglers from wildlife management. They don’t contribute to conservation. They are playing Deubel and NMWF like a fiddle. Their goals in no way intersect with hunters, they want to get rid of you. Can’t you see that? Credibility is established with the biologists from the agency and reputable groups like DU, WSF, RMEF, etc. Watch out for WFA, they are based in NM. Only way we survive is standing together all hunters-private land, public land, outfitters, landowners. If WFA and CBD have their way you are gonna get a commission filled with activists and one lone hunter/angler.

 

[WRO]

In the era of clickbaiting, I don't think interviews with "NM Hunters are mostly not upset with current system" would generate much interest, clicks, etc.

It seems every resident hunter is fed up with the system in their current state, just get on any states local fb page and they’ll tell you how much it sucks and their dfg sucks and is ran by idiots.

 

[cuerro viejo]

You can hunt whatever season you want. The authorization code is not a hunt code. It is unique for each ranch. You can select whatever hunt code you want with your auth code. Most people select the first rifle or first muzzie season which is during the rut in most units. I think the 50s have the most of the MB tags. 52-53 something like that. You can look it up. I have been through the landowner list so many times I am sick of it.

Again which unit has 100 UNIT WIDE vouchers per a hunt code. You said 100 unit wide vouchers earlier…

 

[Gila]

It seems every resident hunter is fed up with the system in their current state, just get on any states local fb page and they’ll tell you how much it sucks and their dfg sucks and is ran by idiots.

Every hunter in every state should be upset with what is going on in New Mexico. Only the profiteers and wealthy hunters who have a good “gig” going on here in New Mexico are adverse to our efforts to change the system.

I warned that the commercialization of hunting and fishing in New Mexico was feeding the anti-hunting agenda:

What is happening and maybe some of you can grasp this, is that the anti-hunting crowds are stacking the deck by advancing policy that will cause hunting as a management tool to fail. Removing the resident hunter from the entire process is the first step. Causing the demise of ungulate herds on public as well as private lands is the next step. It’s called over-hunting! What other Western States sell tags over the counter with no quota to the highest bidding non-residents? The outfitters and hunt clubs are out there to kill as many animals as they can. It’s called profit!

So go ahead and pay the application fee for the public draw that isn’t!

 

[Gila]

A lot more than you think are willing to buy tags, more are under 10k than over.

How do you know more elk are killed on public than eplus on uw tags, what percentage of elk are taken on publicly accessibile e plus lands?

I’ll wait for you to make shit up because that info isn’t available.


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Because it is the small ranches or other ranches that don’t hold elk that get unit wide tags.

 

[WRO]

Because it is the small ranches or other ranches that don’t hold elk that get unit wide tags.

Can you try this again as a complete thought?

 

[cuerro viejo]

Every hunter in every state should be upset with what is going on in New Mexico. Only the profiteers and wealthy hunters who have a good “gig” going on here in New Mexico are adverse to our efforts to change the system.

I warned that the commercialization of hunting and fishing in New Mexico was feeding the anti-hunting agenda:

What is happening and maybe some of you can grasp this, is that the anti-hunting crowds are stacking the deck by advancing policy that will cause hunting as a management tool to fail. Removing the resident hunter from the entire process is the first step. Causing the demise of ungulate herds on public as well as private lands is the next step. It’s called over-hunting! What other Western States sell tags over the counter with no quota to the highest bidding non-residents? The outfitters and hunt clubs are out there to kill as many animals as they can. It’s called profit!

So go ahead and pay the application fee for the public draw that isn’t!

Again you are gaslighting,

In NO state are you drawing a LE unit every year. But unlike states like CO you actually have an opportunity to Draw a highly coveted LE tag every year if you so choose to only chase those units.


Do you not fill the least dishonest in your transparency? 100 unit wide MB tags in a unit…, only rich hunters.. unit wide E-Tag ranches limited in opening access to Public, etc

 

[Gila]

https://wildlife.dgf.nm.gov/download/e-plus_landowner_list_primary_zone/?ind=1723660693538&filename=2024_E-PLUS_LANDOWNER_LIST_8_12_24.pdf&wpdmdl=48224&refresh=69825b7bc1d461770150779

 

[cuerro viejo]

https://wildlife.dgf.nm.gov/download/e-plus_landowner_list_primary_zone/?ind=1723660693538&filename=2024_E-PLUS_LANDOWNER_LIST_8_12_24.pdf&wpdmdl=48224&refresh=69825b7bc1d461770150779

I know the list it’s public, again which units have 100 Unit wide MB vouchers like you so firmly stated.

 

[bayoublaster7527]

Every hunter in every state should be upset with what is going on in New Mexico. Only the profiteers and wealthy hunters who have a good “gig” going on here in New Mexico are adverse to our efforts to change the system.

I warned that the commercialization of hunting and fishing in New Mexico was feeding the anti-hunting agenda:

What is happening and maybe some of you can grasp this, is that the anti-hunting crowds are stacking the deck by advancing policy that will cause hunting as a management tool to fail. Removing the resident hunter from the entire process is the first step. Causing the demise of ungulate herds on public as well as private lands is the next step. It’s called over-hunting! What other Western States sell tags over the counter with no quota to the highest bidding non-residents? The outfitters and hunt clubs are out there to kill as many animals as they can. It’s called profit!

So go ahead and pay the application fee for the public draw that isn’t!

Ok, so your plan is to appease the anti-hunting groups? Do you really think that getting rid of E-plus will make Wildlife For All and CBD go away? If you eliminate landowners tags the anti-hunting groups will just quit? The only thing feeding the anti-hunting agenda is millionaire-billionaire donors from DC, NY, CA, and maybe Santa Fe. It sure isn’t grass roots rural NM. They only way to stop them is band together with other hunters, anglers, trappers, outfitters, etc.

I would posit that no entity has emboldened the anti-hunting crowd more than Deubel and NMWF bringing in WFA for SB 005. They are bragging back to their wealthy donors how they manipulated and defeating the evil hunting community.