New Mexico SNAP discount on permits

[resident vs nonresident]

Poor people in New Mexico are not starving. If anything we need to make food more expensive.

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COLORADO represents
For all the hate CO gets, glad to see it on the better end of the spectrum for once.

 

[Gila]

There are too many very poor people in New Mexico. No electricity living in piece meal shanties or junked out RVs. Very few of the poor have their own cars. I am not just talking about the reservations. Wood is the primary source of heat in most of the rural areas. In 2019 Wildlife Guardians sued the National Forrest Service in Federal Court over the Spotted owl and as a result, all NFS wood extraction was halted in New Mexico. Firewood shot up to $400 a cord overnight. I had propane as a back-up and I eventually put in a heat pump, but too many low income New Mexicans suffered. Only the sound of crickets was heard from our elected officials, including the Governor. It was all wrong. Make no mistake about it, this SNAP discount is to benefit the leftist-elites and no one else.

 

[IdahoBeav]

What about them?

I didn’t ask “what about them?”. I asked “how about them?”.

 

[roadrunner]

I didn’t ask “what about them?”. I asked “how about them?”.

I know what you said. You should've asked 'what about' instead. What about is asking about attitudes relative to a specific topic or issue, in this case discounted fees for certain groups of people.

'How about' is asking about a state similar to mine or proposing a new idea.

But to answer your question, no.

 

[Yoteassasin]

Well to stir the pot .... has anyone heard of a subsistence license ?

 

[roadrunner]

Well to stir the pot .... has anyone heard of a substance license ?

Subsistence license maybe? Nobody in NM has cause to need one of those, nor anyone in the lower 48.

 

[Yoteassasin]

Subsistence license maybe? Nobody in NM has cause to need one of those, nor anyone in the lower 48.

Why ? And if you are correct why would anyone our raise the lower 48 need one either ?

 

[roadrunner]

Why ? And if you are correct why would anyone our raise the lower 48 need one either ?

The very program of SNAP takes place of it and every state has other programs as well. Giving someone a game tag for a reduced fee or even free does not take care of everything else.

Food is in abundance in the USA. Hunting is not a more cost effective alternative...

 

[Fatcamp]

As someone who was raised very poor and has gone to ridiculous lengths to pull himself out of that cycle of dysfunction I'm a strong advocate for SNAP and other food subsidies. The fraud is very real but kids with nothing to eat is far harder for me to take than the thought that somebody is buying some beer with their benefits. There are certain lines a society shouldn't cross and being complicit with starving kids is one of them.

That has absolutely nothing to do with this stupid tag nonsense. As someone who has done the math on big game hunting, you are not pulling a profit out of that meat. Asinine New Mexico behavior.

 

[mt525]

This is a great idea to help out a state's poorest and most vulnerable. Most of the state funding comes from federal. They get the same amount of money either way by having someone buy a hunting license.

 

[Gila]

There is a Commission meeting on the 13th of June in Red River. The implementation of the SNAP discounts is on the agenda. Also on the agenda is giving two elk tags to children who have life threatening diseases. It has become quite clear that the “agenda” is to denigrate hunting by coming up with some ineffective “emotional” reasons why hunting should be allowed to continue. They still refuse to admit that hunting is a viable management tool. They still think that predators are the only acceptable natural event that can management eco-systems. Meanwhile the elephant in the room is being ignored. Hunting opportunity continues to circle the drain.

Anyway SNAP is a federal program. Most of the time SNAP gets a haircut when Congress goes Republican. Been that way for decades…

 

[atmat]

There is a Commission meeting on the 13th of June in Red River. The implementation of the SNAP discounts is on the agenda. Also on the agenda is giving two elk tags to children who have life threatening diseases. It has become quite clear that the “agenda” is to denigrate hunting by coming up with some ineffective “emotional” reasons why hunting should be allowed to continue.

I think there’s some mental gymnastics there. In what world is offering discounted tags to local on federal dime, while also offering a whopping two elk tags to terminal kids who dream of hunting, somehow an attack on hunting?

I don’t necessarily even agree that folks on SNAP will really even use the tags, nor that it’s the best use of federal resources. But to spin this as a way to get rid of hunting seems like a massive stretch.

 

[AZ_Hunter_2000]

On topic...
I'd wager than this is indeed less about reducing the costs to put wild game on the table and more likely about reducing poaching prosecutions; maybe a family member or friend got busted (pure unadulterated speculation just for fun). There are rumors that parts of NM are well known for their long tradition of anti-establishment hunting practices.

Not quite on topic...
So it is "wrong" to lower license/tag costs based upon income level but it is ok to charge different prices on licenses and tags based upon age. Why is acceptable to discriminate based upon age but not income?

 

[WRO]

I do think you’re overestimating the cost of hunting for lots of people. I know tons of folks using great grandpa’s rifle who go many years with a box of Core Lokts, who have no fancy gear, and who are successful hunters.

I spend more on a tank of gas than a liscense and deer tag cost locally. It’s the cheap part.


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[Mike D Texas]

On topic...
I'd wager than this is indeed less about reducing the costs to put wild game on the table and more likely about reducing poaching prosecutions; maybe a family member or friend got busted (pure unadulterated speculation just for fun). There are rumors that parts of NM are well known for their long tradition of anti-establishment hunting practices.

Not quite on topic...
So it is "wrong" to lower license/tag costs based upon income level but it is ok to charge different prices on licenses and tags based upon age. Why is acceptable to discriminate based upon age but not income?

Age and income are not the same. One you have no control over.


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[Gila]

I won’t be going to the Commission meeting…just a waste of time discussing it as far as I am concerned. There are more important issues to discuss and fix which will not be addressed.

A few years back the Dept. took all of the Encouragement elk hunts away from the seniors and gave it all to youth.

No disabled veteran hunts…There is one Oryx hunt with 10 tags that is labeled as a “injured military” public draw hunt which includes disabled veterans, or used to be.

There are a few mobility impaired hunts for different species of big game.

There are so few tags in the above specialty hunts that it is insulting.

I seriously doubt that the SNAP program has anything to do with poaching.

 

[atmat]

Age and income are not the same. One you have no control over.

And one you have some control over? Not a huge difference.

What about different hunting laws for the disabled? Some disabilities are 100% self inflicted.

 

[AZ_Hunter_2000]

Age and income are not the same. One you have no control over.


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With your "no control over" premise...

It is ok to charge a different prices for a license and tag based upon your biological sex. It is ok to charge a different price for a license and tag based upon your skin tone. It is ok to charge a different price for a license and tag based upon your eye color. It is ok to charge a different price for a license and tag based upon your natural hair color. It is ok to charge a different price for a license and tag based upon your height. It is ok to charge different prices for a license and tag based upon your ethnicity.

But it is not ok to charge different prices for a license and tag based upon an individual's income.

Got it.

 

[roadrunner]

I won’t be going to the Commission meeting…just a waste of time discussing it as far as I am concerned. There are more important issues to discuss and fix which will not be addressed.

A few years back the Dept. took all of the Encouragement elk hunts away from the seniors and gave it all to youth.

No disabled veteran hunts…There is one Oryx hunt with 10 tags that is labeled as a “injured military” public draw hunt which includes disabled veterans, or used to be.

There are a few mobility impaired hunts for different species of big game.

There are so few tags in the above specialty hunts that it is insulting.

I seriously doubt that the SNAP program has anything to do with poaching.

Seniors never had any business being part of the encouragement hunts. Seniors will not keep the tradition of hunting alive.

The state isn't any more obligated to offer special disabled veteran hunts than they already do for mobility impaired. A disability is a disability and an impairment is an impairment. What most of those hunt codes offer is opportunity to draw and some control of competition when out and about.

Mobility impaired hunters are absolutely allowed to shoot from a vehicle as long as they are pulled off the road and onto the shoulder or right of way on any hunt they have a legal tag for. It doesn’t havento mobility impaired only.