New Mexico price increase.

[Gila]

Just for some context. Based on the harvest report from 2023-2024, 61% of overall pronghorn tags in NM were given through private OTC sales. Here is a breakdown by each unit, and overall.

Before people use this as an argument to remove those tags and place them in the public draw, consider the cost of doing that and paying LOs in those units that are mostly private for access. I don’t have much of an opinion either way because I see the cost of removing them from the private side being detrimental to the departments overall budget and I see the gain for public hunters and their ability to hunt pronghorn in NM. If you guys are wanting to have those tags back and be able to access private land, I think you’re going to have to be willing to pay for it in some way with some type of private land access fund that is funded through the legislature or paying into that type of fund when you apply whether that be required or voluntary.

Sounds like state leasing of private land is too costly but really it isn’t. The more people DIY hunting, the more for the local economy from resident or not, more taxes paid resident or not. Habitat is better managed and the herd populations can increase. More federal money for tag sales etc. Complete the circle of money and it works.

Selling over the counter LO tags doesn’t work out so well. Now we are cutting back not only on OTC tags but also tags in the public draw on public lands…double whammy and we still don’t have a plan to recover the population. Pronghorn do have legs and they do move to better habitat.

 

[WRO]

Sounds like state leasing of private land is too costly but really it isn’t. The more people DIY hunting, the more for the local economy from resident or not, more taxes paid resident or not. Habitat is better managed and the herd populations can increase. More federal money for tag sales etc. Complete the circle of money and it works.

Selling over the counter LO tags doesn’t work out so well. Now we are cutting back not only on OTC tags but also tags in the public draw on public lands…double whammy and we still don’t have a plan to recover the population. Pronghorn do have legs and they do move to better habitat.

If we used your idea of 5.00 an acre, you’d be a 15-30k per antelope tag in unit 41 to pay off landowners per year.

At 1.00 per acre it’s still 3500 per goat at 200 tags.

In no world does that math work.


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[elkhunter505]

Sounds like state leasing of private land is too costly but really it isn’t. The more people DIY hunting, the more for the local economy from resident or not, more taxes paid resident or not. Habitat is better managed and the herd populations can increase. More federal money for tag sales etc. Complete the circle of money and it works.

Selling over the counter LO tags doesn’t work out so well. Now we are cutting back not only on OTC tags but also tags in the public draw on public lands…double whammy and we still don’t have a plan to recover the population. Pronghorn do have legs and they do move to better habitat.

If someone can take the actual data of how much those private land tags are generating right now, transform it to what they would generate under a different scenario, and then account for how much money would be needed to open up private lands to the public through those programs, I would bet the loss of revenue and the cost to open up those lands would actually be pretty astonishing due to the loss of NR money and then having to pay those land owners. I can only speculate, but one way or another, moving to the system that you're suggesting will cut into the department's budget an unknown amount. I don't really have a dog in the fight because I see the department view of liking the money to do more research, but I also would like to see higher draw odds for NM antelope for my family. I just really think the amount of money without some type of fee raising or private access fund donations would be pretty astonishing. Think about ranches that are supporting antelope, elk, and deer hunters and how much money that likely generates for them. You're saying a $10 an acre fee will make up for that? And on top of that then they have no control over who is on their property? Knowing the LOs that I do, I feel as though that is an insanely hard bargain to drive to them.

 

[WRO]

If someone can take the actual data of how much those private land tags are generating right now, transform it to what they would generate under a different scenario, and then account for how much money would be needed to open up private lands to the public through those programs, I would bet the loss of revenue and the cost to open up those lands would actually be pretty astonishing due to the loss of NR money and then having to pay those land owners. I can only speculate, but one way or another, moving to the system that you're suggesting will cut into the department's budget an unknown amount. I don't really have a dog in the fight because I see the department view of liking the money to do more research, but I also would like to see higher draw odds for NM antelope for my family. I just really think the amount of money without some type of fee raising or private access fund donations would be pretty astonishing. Think about ranches that are supporting antelope, elk, and deer hunters and how much money that likely generates for them. You're saying a $10 an acre fee will make up for that? And on top of that then they have no control over who is on their property? Knowing the LOs that I do, I feel as though that is an insanely hard bargain to drive to them.

You’re at 66million dollars a year at 10.00, 33 at 5.00. Not a viable, it’d be 1-2k per elk tag issued to cover it, no matter the residency. Even at a 1.00 an acre, which most land owners would scoff at, it’d still be 200 per tag, res or nr.


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[roadrunner]

Nm is one of the poorest states in the nation, everything looks old and run down there.

As for the hobby ranches, do you think getting rid of tags will make the accessible somehow?


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You don't need to tell me about NM. I live in the state.

You take things out of context and try to make it mean something it doesn't. Nowhere did I to allude to the removal of RO tags to increase access to private ground.

Stop making things up.

 

[WRO]

You don't need to tell me about NM. I live in the state.

You take things out of context and try to make it mean something it doesn't. Nowhere did I to allude to the removal of RO tags to increase access to private ground.

Stop making things up.

My apologies I miss understood your hobby ranch comment..

As much as I love hunting nm, and think it’s beautiful, I couldn’t find a town I’d be willing to live in. I’ve turned down 2 job offers down there just because I couldn’t imagine living there.

 

[roadrunner]

My apologies I miss understood your hobby ranch comment..

As much as I love hunting nm, and think it’s beautiful, I couldn’t find a town I’d be willing to live in. I’ve turned down 2 job offers down there just because I couldn’t imagine living there.

We'd be okay if it weren't for the Rio Grande corridor.

...and Sante Fe.

 

[Gila]

If someone can take the actual data of how much those private land tags are generating right now, transform it to what they would generate under a different scenario, and then account for how much money would be needed to open up private lands to the public through those programs, I would bet the loss of revenue and the cost to open up those lands would actually be pretty astonishing due to the loss of NR money and then having to pay those land owners. I can only speculate, but one way or another, moving to the system that you're suggesting will cut into the department's budget an unknown amount. I don't really have a dog in the fight because I see the department view of liking the money to do more research, but I also would like to see higher draw odds for NM antelope for my family. I just really think the amount of money without some type of fee raising or private access fund donations would be pretty astonishing. Think about ranches that are supporting antelope, elk, and deer hunters and how much money that likely generates for them. You're saying a $10 an acre fee will make up for that? And on top of that then they have no control over who is on their property? Knowing the LOs that I do, I feel as though that is an insanely hard bargain to drive to them.

i like your thoughts…keep the wheels turning! It’s going to take some “out of the box thinking”. The biggest hurdle to starting a program like this is getting it started. That and people don’t like change especially managers. Nature of the beast I suppose. But in this case we have a population in decline in an area that has traditionally had the highest density. We need a management plan that is going to work…Long term.

 

[WRO]

...and Sante Fe.

Reminds me of a dry tan Portland..


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[WRO]

i like your thoughts…keep the wheels turning! It’s going to take some “out of the box thinking”. The biggest hurdle to starting a program like this is getting it started. That and people don’t like change especially managers. Nature of the beast I suppose. But in this case we have a population in decline in an area that has traditionally had the highest density. We need a management plan that is going to work…Long term.

Landowners are averaging between 1200 and 2500 per permission slip for goats, antelope guided hunts are creeping to 5k and will be 7 in the next 3 years so factor in the sales tax loss on that. Not to mention the loss in nr revenue due due to the change in allocation with otc being unlimited nr to 15%. Add in the secondary lost income to guides and assistants, housing, local restaurants etc from a larger local allocation. 3k per antelope shifted from private to public tag status would be a conservative start.