New Argali 3P Tent? Help Me Design it.

[Brad@Argali]

Feb 9th my birthday. Looks like I have to buy one now.

It’s a sign from above.

 

[CaseyRyback]

What tweaks were made to the production model ?

 

[Brad@Argali]

What tweaks were made to the production model ?

Just a few small things. We added a hood (small piece of fabric) at the top of the zipper that covers the top of the zippers to keep water from coming in where the zipper meets the top of the fabric on the doors. We had several testers weather some heavy rain and some snow and one had some water come in through the gap where the top of the zipper meets the tent fabric. Easy fix but an important one. We also changed the position of the door tie-off slightly as well as the length of the paracord on the line-locs.

 

[Mtndawger]

I tried to sign up for the presale but website indicates sold out. Two thumbs up on the sil poly fabric over sil nylon which stretches like a mo fo when wet. Appears to be a much higher functioning pyramid style design. I’ll give it a try if I can get one.

 

[jonnyviceroy]

I tried to sign up for the presale but website indicates sold out. Two thumbs up on the sil poly fabric over sil nylon which stretches like a mo fo when wet. Appears to be a much higher functioning pyramid style design. I’ll give it a try if I can get one.

I was able to test it out this fall. Definitely was impressed and in weather or precip was the best performing of any freestanding shelter I’ve used. Tons of stake and guyout points I think you won’t be disappointed in the tent design either. Couldn’t agree more with you on poly vs nylon.

As for the presale it says to Sign up at the NOTIFY ME WHEN AVAILABLE (it’s an Orange button if you scroll down) which they will be available for presale February 9th.

Cheers!

 

[2Stamp]

For any of you that are interested in buying the Lemhi 3P Tent, the product page is now live (link below as well), and we will be doing a limited run pre-sale on February 9th at 9 a.m. MST on our website. You can also buy one at Western Hunt Expo in person.

Lemhi 3P Tent

And I wanted to thank all of the Rokslide testers on this thread that tested out the Lemhi. I've never done anything like that before but it was great to get the unbiased, unadultered feedback. We made a few key tweaks based off of the feedback for the production round. So thank you to all of you that put it through the paces.

Brad, will you have one of these at the Western Hunt Expo in Feb?

 

[jonnyviceroy]

Brad, will you have one of these at the Western Hunt Expo in Feb?

Yes they will.

 

[Brad@Argali]

Brad, will you have one of these at the Western Hunt Expo in Feb?

Yessir

 

[2Stamp]

Yessir

Great, see you guys on that Friday. I've got some tent decisions to make.

 

[TheCougar]

Rought measurements, you're looking at 122" long from the longest point to longest point, and 108" in width. Height is 54".

Maybe I missed the explanation, but why can’t the stove jack be installed on the two door version? I get that you can’t use both doors with the stove jack installed, but it would sure be nice to have two doors unless you used the stove.

 

[Brad@Argali]

Maybe I missed the explanation, but why can’t the stove jack be installed on the two door version? I get that you can’t use both doors with the stove jack installed, but it would sure be nice to have two doors unless you used the stove.

The primary reason is the zipper opening would be so short that it would be fairly useless unless you are army crawling on the ground for getting in and out. And if you are running it as a hot tent, you would have a stove on the one side and would only be using the zipper door opening side anyway. There could be some value in being able to open the zipper to shove wood or gear inside the tent, but we ultimately decided the added weight wasn't worth the trade-off.

So the decision comes from not wanting to add the weight of a zipper (probably about 4 ounces-ish), with very little added functionality while trying to keep the weight where we wanted it to be.

 

[TheCougar]

The primary reason is the zipper opening would be so short that it would be fairly useless unless you are army crawling on the ground for getting in and out. And if you are running it as a hot tent, you would have a stove on the one side and would only be using the zipper door opening side anyway. There could be some value in being able to open the zipper to shove wood or gear inside the tent, but we ultimately decided the added weight wasn't worth the trade-off.

So the decision comes from not wanting to add the weight of a zipper (probably about 4 ounces-ish), with very little added functionality while trying to keep the weight where we wanted it to be.

I believe you, but I just don’t see it. I’ve been looking at the door zipper locations and it sure looks like a stove jack could just be installed in the same spot as the single door version with the understanding that when you are using a stove, the back door is unusable. It’s sounds like you are saying that the full length zipper is incompatible with the stove jack. Perhaps the pictures don’t tell the full story.

 

[Brad@Argali]

I believe you, but I just don’t see it. I’ve been looking at the door zipper locations and it sure looks like a stove jack could just be installed in the same spot as the single door version with the understanding that when you are using a stove, the back door is unusable. It’s sounds like you are saying that the full length zipper is incompatible with the stove jack. Perhaps the pictures don’t tell the full story.

You're certainly free to disagree with our design choices, but I'm just providing some context for why we made the decisions we did. We opted to try to keep the weight as minimal as possible while trying to maintain the door functionality. I'm fairly certain that most people would not like the shorter door below the stove jack unless and would therefore not use it as much, or at all. Because of that, we decided to nix it to keep the weight for a backpacking tent down.

 

[mtnbound]

The primary reason is the zipper opening would be so short that it would be fairly useless unless you are army crawling on the ground for getting in and out. And if you are running it as a hot tent, you would have a stove on the one side and would only be using the zipper door opening side anyway. There could be some value in being able to open the zipper to shove wood or gear inside the tent, but we ultimately decided the added weight wasn't worth the trade-off.

So the decision comes from not wanting to add the weight of a zipper (probably about 4 ounces-ish), with very little added functionality while trying to keep the weight where we wanted it to be.

Confirming that with a stove you loose the second door?

 

[jonnyviceroy]

Confirming that with a stove you loose the second door?

Yes, that was the model I tested. No stove jack if you go with the two door.

 

[TheCougar]

You're certainly free to disagree with our design choices, but I'm just providing some context for why we made the decisions we did. We opted to try to keep the weight as minimal as possible while trying to maintain the door functionality. I'm fairly certain that most people would not like the shorter door below the stove jack unless and would therefore not use it as much, or at all. Because of that, we decided to nix it to keep the weight for a backpacking tent down.

I’m not necessarily disagreeing. This is your lane, not mine! I have opinions, you have experience with the product. I’m trying to understand if it is impossible, impractical, or if you decided it wasn’t worth it based on weight/cost/etc. It sounds like one or both of the latter, but I’m not sure. I am intrigued by the shelter, and I don’t mind modifying it myself.

Let me ask this another way…. If I bought the two door version, is there any physical obstacle to me installing the stove jack in a similar location as I would find on the single door? Does that zipper physically block the area the jack would go? If I have to bump in a few inches in any direction, I don’t think it would matter to me, and installing a jack is something I know I can do on my own. The answer might be, “dude, listen to me, it won’t WORK that way” or, “yeah, sure, it would work, but we aren’t making them like that. Stop it already.”

 

[Brad@Argali]

I’m not necessarily disagreeing. This is your lane, not mine! I have opinions, you have experience with the product. I’m trying to understand if it is impossible, impractical, or if you decided it wasn’t worth it based on weight/cost/etc. It sounds like one or both of the latter, but I’m not sure. I am intrigued by the shelter, and I don’t mind modifying it myself.

Let me ask this another way…. If I bought the two door version, is there any physical obstacle to me installing the stove jack in a similar location as I would find on the single door? Does that zipper physically block the area the jack would go? If I have to bump in a few inches in any direction, I don’t think it would matter to me, and installing a jack is something I know I can do on my own. The answer might be, “dude, listen to me, it won’t WORK that way” or, “yeah, sure, it would work, but we aren’t making them like that. Stop it already.”

There is a lot of art in tent paneling and getting it to look good with sewn seams. If you got the two door version, I'm sure you could figure out a way to make it work, but getting it to look good?! Maybe maybe not.

And I love these types of conversations so it's all good. The reason we made two versions is because some people we have realized with a tent like this don't care about a stove jack. Others do, and in order to keep the weight where we wanted it we had to make some sacrifices, which is why we ended up where we did. That plus if you are running a stove, you practically will not be able to use the door where the stove sits because the stove is in the way. But, theoretically when you aren't using a stove you could still use some type of door even if you have to crawl through it.

I don't think you will mind having a single door on the stove jack edition. But the world is your oyster if you buy one and want to cut holes in it, this is still America! I do feel obligated to state the obvious that this will obviously void your warranty. But I do enjoy seeing mods on our products so send pics.

I'm always listening to our core customers, so if we hear from enough people that a second zipper on the stove jack edition is something people want, we would consider adding it. But before you decide you don't like it, give it a try first.

Appreciate the feedback.

 

[mtnbound]

Yes, that was the model I tested. No stove jack if you go with the two door.

Bummer, I really like having a second door for loading wood.