New 2016 Crosman Air Bow Gun

[sneaky]

I need to find one of those Anthyms to shoot Rodney, it stretches out for me!

 

[rodney482]

Its a great bow, really happy with how ot turned out.

I need to find one of those Anthyms to shoot Rodney, it stretches out for me!

 

[Kevin Dill]

Chronologically and behaviorally...

The modern recurve gave way to the compound...which directly led to the modern crossbow...which will lead to another archery season weapon. Maybe it's the airbow. The compound assumed instant dominance over regular bows. In states where legal (and given enough time) the crossbow eventually dominates the compound statistically. In Ohio the crossbow kill is by far the majority of deer taken in archery seasons. That number increases every year, as Ohio does track crossbow kills separately from other weapons. Guys don't choose crossbows because they are more challenging. Crossbows are attractive because they make it easier to kill animals in archery season vs the use of compounds and regular bows. That is the primary reason for their overwhelming popularity in many states.

Somewhere up ahead is another weapon which will likely use crossbows as a stepping stone to acceptance. That's how it works. We're not evolving toward bigger, difficult, longer and more cumbersome...think smaller, faster, easier and needing less practice. You've seen it in compounds. You've seen it in crossbows. You'll see it in nextweapons.

Anyone here want to really believe that compounds and crossbows will be THE weapons of archery seasons in another 25 years? 40 years?

 

[realunlucky]

Crossbows are perfect for entitlement believers get all the benefits without any of the effort required by everyone else.

 

[sneaky]

You mean the great effort put in by a lot of bow hunters who pick up new arrows and broadheads the day before the opener and head out to sling some? I've seen a bunch of that here in Utah for sure. Then come back and brag that they shot three deer but couldn't find them. Crossbows are just another tool, one that lets a lot of older hunters still participate. The majority of backlash I see is from western guys who have no experience with them other than on forums. Trust me, you don't want to carry one of those big, bulky awkward things around out here and be limited by their effective range.

 

[Kevin Dill]

Sneaky is right about the weight and awkward factor of crossbows. All the more reason why an airbow will have a good chance at acceptance. No limbs, no serious cocking effort, and it will carry much better. If it catches on, I believe it can compete for dominance over crossbows some day. Each generation of weapons, or each innovation seeks to overcome some problem or limitation known previously. I've stopped worrying about instant archery hunters, as no laws will prevent them. Insta-Dudes exist in archery, firearms, backpacking, fishing, poker and anything else. They have a bit of knowledge and enough money to buy in...they're suddenly full-fledged...at whatever they're doing.

 

[realunlucky]

Kevin your opinion is this archery because it uses a arrow?

 

[realunlucky]

Sneaky it's OK to exclude someone that can't meet the minimum requirements. Most states accept crossbows for medical exceptions including utah. Utah is a whore for money so I'm sure crossbow isn't far away as soon has uba sells out and accepts it.

 

[Kevin Dill]

realunlucky...you're probably misinterpreting the content or meaning of my messages. I've not indicated anywhere that the airbow is archery, nor do I even remotely believe it belongs in archery seasons. I consider it to be a hybrid air-gun/arrow launcher sort of bastard child whose parents can't claim it. Is that clear enough?

I think it will be legalized soon enough if it proves popular though. That's because the crossbow was legalized on popular demand. We've reached a point where NO weapon has to be related to another or even remotely resemble it's predecessors. Compare a modern synthetic thumbhole stocked & scoped inline to a flinter and tell me there is any thing in common there except that a lead projectile flies out the muzzle and both go 'bang'. An arrow flies out of the airbow and people WLL call it an archery weapon. It will be targeted at archers and their seasons. It will likely succeed even if most of us with an ounce of sense know it's in no way a bow of any kind. "But the arrow!...the arrow makes it an archery weapon!!!" They'll scream this until it works and it will work because it's more about money, demand and success than about common sense. I honestly despise this abhorrent technical thing called progress when it produces weapons that are designed to account for our laziness and other deficiencies...or just the normal difficulties of hunting with a bow which...incidentally...was never known to be easy.

Buy. Set up. Sight in. Go hunt. Archery 2016.

 

[IdahoElk]

I think it would a good option for people with severe disabilities to get out during archery season. Other than that it should only be allowed during an any weapon season.

No way am I trying to argue your point but if you need a gizmo like this to hunt why not just use a rifle? IMHO this should in no way be an acceptable replacement for a bow.

 

[Beastmode]

No way am I trying to argue your point but if you need a gizmo like this to hunt why not just use a rifle? IMHO this should in no way be an acceptable replacement for a bow.

I am all for then letting people with a SEVERE disability use a rifle for all seasons but a lot of states are not. They would rather see them use a crossbow. This is pretty much a crossbow that is easier to load in my mind.

 

[sneaky]

Sneaky it's OK to exclude someone that can't meet the minimum requirements. Most states accept crossbows for medical exceptions including utah. Utah is a whore for money so I'm sure crossbow isn't far away as soon has uba sells out and accepts it.

This is true, SFW will help them sell out I'm sure

 

[GotDraw?]

Bows have limbs that store energy. This is not a bow, it's a spear GUN.
Pneumatic spear guns for diving have been around for some time now, some joker simply created one to use a bolt.
In order to curry favor/acceptance for marketing, they're calling it a "bow". I doubt the states will allow it during archery season, but time will tell.

 

[id450]

Looks fun but not a fan for anything hunting related

 

[Kevin Dill]

I would use it only to hunt and gut-shoot ISIS jihadi terrorists.

 

[rodney482]

You sound exactly like the trad guys when compounds started to be accepted.

PY was very much against Compounds... Among other advancements in archery.

This is not a "BOW" the arrow is not propelled by the energy stored in limbs.

Draw lock vs 85% letoff......

Crossbows are perfect for entitlement believers get all the benefits without any of the effort required by everyone else.

 

[rodney482]

Wyoming... How many hunters are using crossbows during archery?

The % is low compared to trad and compounds.. Why? Because the crossbow is not a great weapon for the back country... Several disasvantages.

Chronologically and behaviorally...

The modern recurve gave way to the compound...which directly led to the modern crossbow...which will lead to another archery season weapon. Maybe it's the airbow. The compound assumed instant dominance over regular bows. In states where legal (and given enough time) the crossbow eventually dominates the compound statistically. In Ohio the crossbow kill is by far the majority of deer taken in archery seasons. That number increases every year, as Ohio does track crossbow kills separately from other weapons. Guys don't choose crossbows because they are more challenging. Crossbows are attractive because they make it easier to kill animals in archery season vs the use of compounds and regular bows. That is the primary reason for their overwhelming popularity in many states.

Somewhere up ahead is another weapon which will likely use crossbows as a stepping stone to acceptance. That's how it works. We're not evolving toward bigger, difficult, longer and more cumbersome...think smaller, faster, easier and needing less practice. You've seen it in compounds. You've seen it in crossbows. You'll see it in nextweapons.

Anyone here want to really believe that compounds and crossbows will be THE weapons of archery seasons in another 25 years? 40 years?

 

[realunlucky]

Holding any amount of wieght is different than holding nothing do you agree with that?
Is a harpoon a bow? A spear gun shoots something arrow like should we include that?

 

[Kevin Dill]

Wyoming... How many hunters are using crossbows during archery?

The % is low compared to trad and compounds.. Why? Because the crossbow is not a great weapon for the back country... Several disasvantages.

Absolutely crossbow use is determined by specific conditions encountered. Few are probably getting used on backpacking hunts for goats in the peaks. Hordes of them are being used for whitetails and other game reachable by less than a couple hour walk.

It pretty much proves that crossbows have a limited use potential, and the same was true for recurves and compounds....only in a different way. Crossbow proponents claimed that compounds and recurves required strength and were hard for many to master; especially the young, the old, the infirm and some others. Crossbows were the answer...enter the compound crossbow circa 1980s. After 30-some years of evolution and refinement the crossbow is about as advanced as it can get without dramatic changes. The physical weight and bulk characteristics of the crossbow make it ripe for those changes. Assuming (and that's all we can do currently) the airbow solves some of these problems, along with offering even better accuracy and killing performance, the stage is set for them to become popular. It's not archery and not a bow in any remote sense, but I see decent odds of that being ignored as people seek to solve another problem in their quest to make archery-season kills no harder than centerfire rifles.

All I have ever said is that we allowed technology to become the buggy pulling the horse. If people want that by majority, then they should have it. It doesn't mean we all have to enjoy it and we don't in some cases.

 

[beachbunny]

i thought the "look of disbelief" on the hunters face particular amusing.
good comparison on spearguns.