New 109 ELDM vs 108 ELDM

[khuber84]

What twist on those barrels, and what velocity? I'll be shooting the 109s from a 7tw 6cm for 2025.

7.5 tw, 2850-2950mv. Same as my short barrel 6cm's. The womans hunting rifle is at 2980mv with 41.8gr H4350 from 20" suppressed.

 

[justin davis]

Anyone else try the 109 ELDMs on game?

 

[Sadler]

Anyone else try the 109 ELDMs on game?

I did this year. In Wyoming on a cow. It was stupid cold and wind was blowing hard and I was solo so no pictures. I used the gutless method so I didn’t see internal damage either. With that I’m not sure how much my example is worth.

First shot, hard quarter to at 100 yards in the timber. Went in mid body and left a baseball side exit below the offside tenderloin just in front of the pelvis. Lost that tenderloin unfortunately. Wife wasn’t happy.

Second shot, this one left me confused. It was a bad shot because she was running away and hard quartering away. Me hopped up on adrenaline, at 10k feet fighting for air while pushing through 2 feet of snow not wanting to chase an elk into the dark timber throw my rifle up and proceed to shoot her through the right ass cheek because I completely missed the small window of vitals that I had. This was at about 75 yards. More on this in a sec

Third shot, she’s about 100 yards again, completely broadside and I put one right behind her shoulder. She wobbles for about five seconds and drops.

So that second shot was pretty bad. I jerked the trigger for sure and had zero control over my breathing but when I peeled the hide back while quartering her I saw that it entered on the back side of her right hindquarter, went 10-12ish inches and exited with zero/ very little upset. Barely even any bloodshot meat either. It looked like it just penciled through. So for me it seems like 60% of the time, they work every time.

 

[huntnful]

I did this year. In Wyoming on a cow. It was stupid cold and wind was blowing hard and I was solo so no pictures. I used the gutless method so I didn’t see internal damage either. With that I’m not sure how much my example is worth.

First shot, hard quarter to at 100 yards in the timber. Went in mid body and left a baseball side exit below the offside tenderloin just in front of the pelvis. Lost that tenderloin unfortunately. Wife wasn’t happy.

Second shot, this one left me confused. It was a bad shot because she was running away and hard quartering away. Me hopped up on adrenaline, at 10k feet fighting for air while pushing through 2 feet of snow not wanting to chase an elk into the dark timber throw my rifle up and proceed to shoot her through the right ass cheek because I completely missed the small window of vitals that I had. This was at about 75 yards. More on this in a sec

Third shot, she’s about 100 yards again, completely broadside and I put one right behind her shoulder. She wobbles for about five seconds and drops.

So that second shot was pretty bad. I jerked the trigger for sure and had zero control over my breathing but when I peeled the hide back while quartering her I saw that it entered on the back side of her right hindquarter, went 10-12ish inches and exited with zero/ very little upset. Barely even any bloodshot meat either. It looked like it just penciled through. So for me it seems like 60% of the time, they work every time.

Great info man. Very surprised to hear that one possibly penciled, especially at close range and high impact velocity.

 

[Sadler]

Great info man. Very surprised to hear that one possibly penciled, especially at close range and high impact velocity.

Yeah I was surprised. They’re handloads leaving the muzzle at 2900 fps so that one was over 2800fps on impact. I have about 600 of them left. I’ll try some on javelina in February and maybe some auodad and deer in Texas if I have the chance.

 

[wind gypsy]

Anyone else try the 109 ELDMs on game?

I made a mess out of a mule deer with 4 of them this year. Really odd results that I cant explain from the first shot and didn’t do a close enough autopsy to sus it out.

First shot was 350 yards at a bedded buck. I think i dialed a couple tenths low on accident so i might have hit ground in front of it, it might have been quartering to and I didnt recognize it, and it also might have hit a little stick that was out in front of it.. But, felt like a good shot. Buck got up and off side shoulder is not functional so i'm thinking i made a good shot, maybe a hair forward. I rush a second shot at moving deer and miss. Rush 3rd shot as it is getting behind junipers and over the hill and put it through both rear quarters. Not a spec of blood to be found when we get to the hillside and grid search it. Found him roughly 1/2 mile of his likely travel distance away trying to get away from me with a bum shoulder and two muscle wounds in the rear quarters. I shot him offhand at 100 yards as he was trying to crawl away in the high/back lungs. Shot one more time to put an end to the circus through both shoulders. The last 3 shots resulted in wounds like one would expect, i'm not sure what happened on the first. Likely hit something in front of him or he was just quartered to and I just snuck it in too far forward and wrecked the offside shoulder but didn’t get in the cage.

This is the offside shoulder on 1st shot and onside hit with 4th shot. There was an about 4" chunk of shoulder bone where it was broken off from bullets above and below.

 

[Lawnboi]

I made a mess out of a mule deer with 4 of them this year. Really odd results that I cant explain from the first shot and didn’t do a close enough autopsy to sus it out.

First shot was 350 yards at a bedded buck. I think i dialed a couple tenths low on accident so i might have hit ground in front of it, it might have been quartering to and I didnt recognize it, and it also might have hit a little stick that was out in front of it.. But, felt like a good shot. Buck got up and off side shoulder is not functional so i'm thinking i made a good shot, maybe a hair forward. I rush a second shot at moving deer and miss. Rush 3rd shot as it is getting behind junipers and over the hill and put it through both rear quarters. Not a spec of blood to be found when we get to the hillside and grid search it. Found him roughly 1/2 mile of his likely travel distance away trying to get away from me with a bum shoulder and two muscle wounds in the rear quarters. I shot him offhand at 100 yards as he was trying to crawl away in the high/back lungs. Shot one more time to put an end to the circus through both shoulders. The last 3 shots resulted in wounds like one would expect, i'm not sure what happened on the first. Likely hit something in front of him or he was just quartered to and I just snuck it in too far forward and wrecked the offside shoulder but didn’t get in the cage.

This is the offside shoulder on 1st shot and onside hit with 4th shot. There was an about 4" chunk of shoulder bone where it was broken off from bullets above and below.

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Have you killed anything with 108s?

I’m about to buy some bullets and it’s between the two eldm and the eldx.

 

[wind gypsy]

Have you killed anything with 108s?

Nope

 

[ID_Matt]

Have not shot anything with the 108's yet but did shoot a bull elk and dad shot a mule deer buck with the 109's this year. 6 creed with 2840 MV.

Bull - 120 yard shot. Slightly quartering to - first shot in the shoulder. Second shot in the neck. He didn't need a second shot but my instinct kicked in and I sent the second one to anchor him about 1.9 seconds after the first. Dead within seconds. Did not investigate the vitals but it was clear when we were quartering that the bullet got through the shoulder and rapidly expanded to make a mess of the lungs. Picture is onside shoulder from the first shot. No problem going through that.




Dad's mule deer - Slowly walking quartering away at 115 yards. He put 2 shots probably a foot back from the shoulder, which from my view looked sufficient for the angle he was going away. Buck went in to some bushes and we assumed died right there. When we got up to it he had plenty of life and tried to run off. Put one in the crease and he died right away. I can only assume he wasn't as angled as we thought and both shots were gut. No exits on the first 2. Last shot put a softball sized exit behind the shoulder. Likely shooter error on the first 2 shots. It was 80+ degrees so did not take time to look inside. Picture shown is the onside damage.

 

[Castle Rock]

I have shot quite a few pigs lately with the 108 and it is performing really well, noticeably better than 77s in the 22/250

 

[B_Reynolds_AK]

If you guys watch Steve Speck of Exo on the Experience Project video of their recent caribou hunt.. he makes a one shot kill on a giant Caribou at 600 yards with the 109 ELD-M. The video says 108, but I know for a fact that he was actually using hand loaded 109's from his 16" barrel.

 

[Alpha Echo]

If you guys watch Steve Speck of Exo on the Experience Project video of their recent caribou hunt.. he makes a one shot kill on a giant Caribou at 600 yards with the 109 ELD-M. The video says 108, but I know for a fact that he was actually using hand loaded 109's from his 16" barrel.

That implies Justin also used the 109, because he used Steve's rifle...Justin was the videographer and didn't bring his own rifle. IIRC Justin's caribou took 2 shots. Not saying first shot didn't work, just stating what I remember from the video. If I'm misremembering please lmk.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

That implies Justin also used the 109, because he used Steve's rifle...Justin was the videographer and didn't bring his own rifle. IIRC Justin's caribou took 2 shots. Not saying first shot didn't work, just stating what I remember from the video. If I'm misremembering please lmk.

He used his gun so it would seem extremely likely they were the same bullet. Yes there were two shots 5 sec apart and the animal was down in 8sec total.

0sec: shot fired quartering away, hit mid body vertically right at that brown/black transition best I could see on video. Animal jumps a tad and trots to the right in the screen.


5sec: second shot fired at a broadside animal, camera is panning so couldn't see impact (image is at the 3 to 4 second mark)


8sec: animal is on its back

 

[Tanner]

Anybody else have 109 ELDM on game experiences ?

 

[swavescatter]

My 8 twist 243 is chopped to 18" and ready for pickup...

108's or 109's???

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

My 8 twist 243 is chopped to 18" and ready for pickup...

108's or 109's???

May wanna just run the 108s with the 8twist for better stability.