Need an new Elk Gun!

[Chris in TN]

Well technically it’s 1500 ft lbs for elk, at least in Colorado. Our elk may have more grit than other western states, but I’m certainly no expert on that. As for the wallop, until someone can show a conversion chart for energy to wallop, it’s probably best to leave that factor out, it’ll just add to the confusion.

At some point the confusion is the only redeeming value in the thread.

 

[Big_wals]

200 yards and you are no longer getting 1400 ft pounds of energy. Hope you are a good shot and your standing on top of an elk…and like tracking

Ft lbs of energy is irrelevant. An FMJ from a 338 Lapua at 100 yards will have far more than 1400 ft lbs ( I didn’t feel like taking the time to actually look up the exact amount) but an elk shot in the lungs with that is going to an all night tracking job. Thousands of animals die every year to arrows with sub 100 ft lbs. The actual amount of energy doesn’t matter nearly as much as how the projectile puts that energy to use.

Besides…. My .243 with 109 eldms hits 1400 ft lbs at 424 yards…. So you’re just wrong twice.

 

[IDVortex]

Damn, how did i miss this gem of a thread?!

Only got to page 5, ill finish in the morning while on the crapper. But, ill still give a response.

6arc in a Howa mini with a stocky stock, topped with a SWFA 3x9. Be great out to about 600 yards (off the top of my head, iirmc). Plus with a can on it. Not expensive to shoot vs 6CM, but still get range, low recoil to become a more competent shooter.

(on another note, damn im lucky. My wife was okay with me buying a handgun and a plate carrier all within the same week this past November!)

 

[Seeknelk]

The old question again...


I'm traditionally a Midwest hunter and have used the 308 before on elk hunts. But...I'd like to buy a new gun! and why not! The gun I'm buying is light, at or less then 7lbs. Ideally, and I think there's not "too" much to argue, the 300wm would be the ultimate elk round but I'm not fond of the recoil on such a light gun. Not a "huge" fan of muzzle brakes and not looking at suppressor...yet.

You're at the gun buying store, your wife gave you money for a new gun, dedicated for elk, it's around 7 lbs give or take, it's not threaded (nor will be), the only other gun you have is a 308. So, what caliber would you choose and why? But again, your only other gun is a 308...keep that in mind when deciding.

Factor in your own max range, but state that if it's important in your decision.

Caliber? 6. Personal max range of 700 on Elk.

 

[natedock1]

Ft lbs of energy is irrelevant. An FMJ from a 338 Lapua at 100 yards will have far more than 1400 ft lbs ( I didn’t feel like taking the time to actually look up the exact amount) but an elk shot in the lungs with that is going to an all night tracking job. Thousands of animals die every year to arrows with sub 100 ft lbs. The actual amount of energy doesn’t matter nearly as much as how the projectile puts that energy to use.

Besides…. My .243 with 109 eldms hits 1400 ft lbs at 424 yards…. So you’re just wrong twice.

You couldn’t possibly talk more nonsense and shit than you just did. I’m literally blown away. But I was taught at a young age to never argue with an idiot. You can’t win. Oh…but as a parting note hornady lists the 243 energy at 400 yards at 1040 ft lbs but somehow you are getting 1400 at exactly 424 yards…yeah you’re a moron

 

[Mule3006Elk]

308 is fine. Mod the gun as needed. Reload to desired velocity to reduce recoil. Select bullet to match lower velocity and you are done. Of course, only if you reload.

If you don't reload, pick 4-5 cartridges that meet your recoil threshold. Pick your pill. Run ballistics. Pick the one you like the most.

That would be my strategy. Few suggestions based on recoil concern:

.308: 308 Win
.284: 7mm-08
.277: 270 Win
.264: 6.5 PRC or CM

For elk I don't go lower than that. I know many on RS do.

 

[MT_Wyatt]

You couldn’t possibly talk more nonsense and shit than you just did. I’m literally blown away. But I was taught at a young age to never argue with an idiot. You can’t win. Oh…but as a parting note hornady lists the 243 energy at 400 yards at 1040 ft lbs but somehow you are getting 1400 at exactly 424 yards…yeah you’re a moron

Carry on being blown away.

1. You don’t get to just call people names because you don’t agree. You’ve been on here - so I take it you can follow the rules. Or don’t and get banned. I’d edit your post.

2. When people list specific values it’s because they are using a ballistic calculator, not what a box says. Basing your reply on that is actually pretty ironic. Many hand load and that typically provides more velocity than a factory box. Just something to consider.

3. If you aren’t answering the original question, just leave the thread. There’s a great one on energy to carry on your thoughts in.

 

[Pharmseller]

Knockdown power is a myth.

I don’t give two hoots about energy numbers. As long as the velocity is above the minimum for bullet expansion (generally 1800 fps) I’m happy.

Caliber would be 7mm.

 

[Deadspace]

You couldn’t possibly talk more nonsense and shit than you just did. I’m literally blown away. But I was taught at a young age to never argue with an idiot. You can’t win. Oh…but as a parting note hornady lists the 243 energy at 400 yards at 1040 ft lbs but somehow you are getting 1400 at exactly 424 yards…yeah you’re a moron

You should go check out the 223 thread. Lots of guys here have killed a pile of big game including elk and moose with 223s. It’s hard to believe but once you see it first hand, it’s undeniable. The 223/77tmk combo is bad medicine. But to the OP, I’d get a 16” 6 creed and never look back.

Post in thread '.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.'

Yesterday at 7:07 PM

Not judging. You probably have better things to do/a real life. I, on the other hand….

LOL, I feel your pain

• Rockpicker

 

[Car Ramrod]

Rokslide should have “the best thread” contest like they do for best pics

 

[Big_wals]

You couldn’t possibly talk more nonsense and shit than you just did. I’m literally blown away. But I was taught at a young age to never argue with an idiot. You can’t win. Oh…but as a parting note hornady lists the 243 energy at 400 yards at 1040 ft lbs but somehow you are getting 1400 at exactly 424 yards…yeah you’re a moron

Thread 'Rokslide Forum Rules & Etiquette'
https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/rokslide-forum-rules-etiquette.277022/

You may want read through the forum rules before you get banned.

And yes…According to the Shooter app, at 6000’ DA, 30 degrees F, with a muzzle velocity of 2950 fps…. A 109 eldm is 1399.8 ft lbs at 424 yards.

 

[Big_wals]

You should go check out the 223 thread. Lots of guys here have killed a pile of big game including elk and moose with 223s. It’s hard to believe but once you see it first hand, it’s undeniable. The 223/77tmk combo is bad medicine. But to the OP, I’d get a 16” 6 creed and never look back.

Post in thread '.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.'

Yesterday at 7:07 PM

Not judging. You probably have better things to do/a real life. I, on the other hand….

LOL, I feel your pain

• Rockpicker

If this guy gets so worked up over the mere thought of shooting an elk past 200 yards with a .243, I’m not sure we want him posting in that thread!

 

[MuleyFever]

 

[Big_wals]

Not quite. At least one person learned that the 243 ballistics Hornady has listed on their website doesn’t actually match up with every possible combination of bullet weight, barrel length, and powder charge for every other .243 in existence.

 

[MuleyFever]

Not quite. At least one person learned that the 243 ballistics Hornady has listed on their website doesn’t actually match up with every possible combination of bullet weight, barrel length, and powder charge for every other .243 in existence.

That moron will never learn anything.

 

[Big_wals]

That moron will never learn anything.

Yeah, I’m not even gonna argue anymore. It’s one reason I generally avoid posting in caliber discussion threads, seems like they all devolve into this. Then the thread gets locked, someone gets banned, and a new thread starts.