Need an new Elk Gun!

[Pharmseller]

I get it.

Sometimes it’s more fun talking about buying something than actually buying something.

It ain’t about the rifle, anyway. Heck, you should know that by now.

I was like this when I was shopping for a boat. I was having so much fun talking about it I was kinda sad when I finally bought one.

So I will cease my comments and let you have your fun, even if it means asking again in a couple of years.

 

[slm9s]

I change my vote for this guy to a 99 or 721 in 300 Savage. Open sights. Go getter dun.

 

[Deadfall]

Honest question,

Why is everyone so fired up for turrets and silencers?

 

[naked wombats]

Having used supressors for years now, I pretty much don't want to shoot without one anymore.

Less noise, less recoil.

 

[rookieforever33]

Honest question,

Why is everyone so fired up for turrets and silencers?

Turrets are great if you are shooting far enough that if more than a couple inches of hold are required in each direction it is much easier. If you dial for elevation you can use the subtensions for windage much more accurately. Depending on your normal shot distance determines how important dialing is. Some guys that are good at dialing can do it so quick it doesn't slow down their shot.
Silencers are awesome to protect hearing. I live in a state wirh tons of "safety" laws that do not make us safer. Since I love my specific area in this state and a majority of my family is here I will probably never leave. But of all those stupid laws I hate, no silencers is the one that will someday drive me out. Have a range day or hunt with a couple rifles with, and without. You will see what the big deal is about.

 

[Chris in TN]

Honest question,

Why is everyone so fired up for turrets and silencers?

Turrets because past 250-300 yards or so, dialing (with good turrets) is absolutely more precise than reticle holdover. There’s utility in using reticle holdover points but even at 300-600 yards under field conditions I don’t want to lose the 1/2moa or so of vertical precision you lose trying to guesstimate aiming points with a reticle at odd distances. Suppressors because I don’t enjoy blast and noise and once you start using them it very literally changes how you see unsuppressed firearms. Doubly so when children are involved.

Truthfully you can get by to 400, *Maybe* 500 yards with reticle holdovers, but it will absolutely cost you some precision and with a MOA rifle and a MOA improvised shooting position at 500 yards you’re already struggling to stay in a 10” circle. Having to guess in the reticle adds another 2.5” or so.

In short I think a lot of us here recognize a need to be better shooters with better gear, for higher odds of success. That doesn’t mean you can’t take a reliable rifle without a can, and a 3-9x scope with a duplex and be effective out to perhaps 400 yards. Most years I’ll do that very thing at least once or twice with an older rifle, at least in summer on steel, simply because I enjoy shooting.

 

[fmyth]

Honest question,

Why is everyone so fired up for turrets and silencers?

No matter how many pairs of ear plugs I have on my person i can't seem to find them when an animal appears. After shooting a few times with no ear protection I purchased a suppressor. After I shot my first elk with my suppressed rifle and saw how the herd just looked around trying to figure out what happened. I realized that there are other benefits besides protecting my hearing. This year I had 2 cow tags. Spotted a herd of over 50 elk. Got in to 350 yards, dialed up and shot a cow. The herd didn't run off and I was able to shoot another cow while they were trying to figure out where the shot came from. I can also hear when the bullet hits the animal.

 

[Deadfall]

I unders

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tand the theories behind the silencer, turret stuff.
All I see is less accurate hunters. I say that with 20 years guiding under my belt.

What i do see is guys filling around trying to screw on suppressors when they come across game because they don't want tge weight on the rifle, silencer gets carried in bag.

the turrets thing is biggest problem. They always get turned. Or never put back to zero. Get messed up in scabbords.

Biggest thing is guys not actually practicing at distance. Or practicing enough period. Too much trust in gear.

To each their own. All I see is a decline .

 

[Taudisio]

I unders

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tand the theories behind the silencer, turret stuff.
All I see is less accurate hunters. I say that with 20 years guiding under my belt.

What i do see is guys filling around trying to screw on suppressors when they come across game because they don't want tge weight on the rifle, silencer gets carried in bag.

the turrets thing is biggest problem. They always get turned. Or never put back to zero. Get messed up in scabbords.

Biggest thing is guys not actually practicing at distance. Or practicing enough period. Too much trust in gear.

To each their own. All I see is a decline .

Clearly there is a client demographic that uses a guide service….

 

[Big_wals]

I change my vote for this guy to a 99 or 721 in 300 Savage. Open sights. Go getter dun.

Nope, thats a .308 caliber. He specifically said he already has a .308 caliber rifle.

 

[Sled]

I unders

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tand the theories behind the silencer, turret stuff.
All I see is less accurate hunters. I say that with 20 years guiding under my belt.

What i do see is guys filling around trying to screw on suppressors when they come across game because they don't want tge weight on the rifle, silencer gets carried in bag.

the turrets thing is biggest problem. They always get turned. Or never put back to zero. Get messed up in scabbords.

Biggest thing is guys not actually practicing at distance. Or practicing enough period. Too much trust in gear.

To each their own. All I see is a decline .

The cheap turrets get turned. That's been worked out by most manufacturers by now, either through caps or tighter tolerances with larger detents. The average hunter can get away with a bdc reticle but there are a lot of target shooters that want to use the same rifle for hunts too.


For suppressors, there really isn't much reason to take it off while hunting unless you're going to fall on it and test the strength of the attachment.
There are plenty of threads about why to use it. For me, The concussive effect is absent, the sound is attenuated to where I don't need your protection, the animals often don't know where the shot came from if they even know it was a shot and the recoil impulse is changed. I really don't shoot without a suppressor anymore. To me, the weight penalty is worth it.

 

[Deadfall]

The cheap turrets get turned. That's been worked out by most manufacturers by now, either through caps or tighter tolerances with larger detents. The average hunter can get away with a bdc reticle but there are a lot of target shooters that want to use the same rifle for hunts too.


For suppressors, there really isn't much reason to take it off while hunting unless you're going to fall on it and test the strength of the attachment.
There are plenty of threads about why to use it. For me, The concussive effect is absent, the sound is attenuated to where I don't need your protection, the animals often don't know where the shot came from if they even know it was a shot and the recoil impulse is changed. I really don't shoot without a suppressor anymore. To me, the weight penalty is worth it.

Yap, I'm aware of all that and yet it's just like the bar scene. Faces may change but nonsense stays the same

 

[Deadfall]

Clearly there is a client demographic that uses a guide service….

Yap. Everywhere from blue collar to multi millions.
It's same thing with drop campers

 

[HiMtnHntr]

If you are looking to purchase a dedicated elk rifle I recommend a magnum of some variety. My favorite is the 300 wsm.

As far as scope, it’s nice to have a turret to be able to dial to specific ranges. Guesswork leaves room for error.

I haven’t been able to stomach the cost of a suppressor but I am in the midst of outfitting young hunters with rifles and hunting clothes and boots and packs and binos and spotters and rangefinders, etc… maybe someday. If you can swing it they sound worthwhile…

 

[Taudisio]

Yap. Everywhere from blue collar to multi millions.
It's same thing with drop campers

You go into the field with drop campers? Serious question, I didn’t think that was the purpose of a drop camp.

 

[Pharmseller]

You go into the field with drop campers? Serious question, I didn’t think that was the purpose of a drop camp.

They’re a bitch to carry.

 

[Sled]

They’re a bitch to carry.

I'll bet. Those dudes weigh a couple hundred pounds each without their gun and backpack. They probably complain a lot too.

 

[Deadfall]

You go into the field with drop campers? Serious question, I didn’t think that was the purpose of a drop camp.

Sort of. We pack their stuff in
Haul meat. They in their own camp and do their own hunting. We just pack mules

 

[Chris in TN]

guys filling around trying to screw on suppressors when they come across game because they don't want tge weight on the rifle, silencer gets carried in bag.

the turrets thing is biggest problem. They always get turned. Or never put back to zero. Get messed up in scabbords.

Biggest thing is guys not actually practicing at distance. Or practicing enough period.

You need better clients.

Toting a suppressor anywhere other than screwed tightly onto your muzzle is ridiculous. As for turrets getting turned I don't know what to tell you. I've never seen one move a single click unless it was on purpose. And when I hunt with a gun with turrets I check them fairly often. Almost constantly.

But I don’t hunt with horses so maybe there are scabbard issues I’m not aware of. I’m not opposed to horses, to be clear, I’ve just never done a horseback hunt.

 

[Robobiss]

I would buy a suppressor long before I bought another rifle and scope if I already had a 308.

It will be cheaper, too.