Moose Hunting with the .22 ARC

[MuleyFever]

Because I was quoting what he said.

He said a 109 in a 6mm.

 

[z987k]

He said a 109 in a 6mm.

He said something with more mass penetrates further. That is not true. The 109 6mm has more mass than a 95gr 224. The 224 will penetrate further.
The 109 will do slightly better than the 88.

Both are because sd matters. Not mass.
Assuming bullet construction is the same. Obviously a copper 60 is going to do better than a cup and core hp 109 purely talking wound depth.

 

[KHntr]

Let's say Hunter A is using a 109g Eldm in some sort of 6mm cartridge and Hunter B is using an 88g Eldm.

1) The 109g bullet has just under 24% more lead it can use to create a better wound channel
2) The 109g bullet starts with 24% more mass which means it will likely penetrate farther on a large animal.

If a hunter can shoot their 6/6.5mm cartridge accurately, it makes sense to take advantage of their larger/heavier projectiles. Using a larger, heavier bullet is not going to make them less lethal.

Instead of trying to find the lightest possible cartridge that will work on big game, we should be searching for the sweet spot - biggest cartridge that the shooter can shoot accurately.

Sorry, was out scouting mountain goats yesterday and didn’t get back home until late last night.

While I haven’t 108/109’d anything from a 6mm, I have killed a couple metric tonnes of stuff with a 105 Amax. Not exactly apples to apples comparison with first hand knowledge, but not too far off.
While there is likely some theoretical difference between an 88 and a 108 ELD m wound channel, nobody is going to be able to look at two of them side by side and say conclusively which one is which. There is very little difference between the wound channels, if any, from what I’ve seen.

As to the “this one weighs more so it will penetrate deeper”, that isn’t really how that works. Bullet construction and shape and rpm make more of difference than just the mass of the bullet.

 

[KHntr]

My only issue is really with the concept of using the least powerful cartridge possible on genuine game.

Going back to the original idea of using a 22 ARC, I would point to the 22 CM as the better option on big game for someone who wants to shoot a 22 caliber bullet.

I ended up down the 22 centerfire rabbit hole by virtue of killing moose/elk/deer/bears etc etc etc with the typical Big Tough Animals Need Big Tough Bullets mindset, and then getting caught up in the New Rifle Syndrome.
That resulted in shooting a bunch of stuff with a bunch of different cartridges with a bunch of different bullets, and realizing from a bunch of dead animals that there isn’t a bunch of difference in internal trauma within a bullet genre until you get a big spread on the variables.




Why do you think that a 22 Creed would be a better option on big game?

 

[UnckleBob]

Sorry, was out scouting mountain goats yesterday and didn’t get back home until late last night.

While I haven’t 108/109’d anything from a 6mm, I have killed a couple metric tonnes of stuff with a 105 Amax. Not exactly apples to apples comparison with first hand knowledge, but not too far off.
While there is likely some theoretical difference between an 88 and a 108 ELD m wound channel, nobody is going to be able to look at two of them side by side and say conclusively which one is which. There is very little difference between the wound channels, if any, from what I’ve seen.

As to the “this one weighs more so it will penetrate deeper”, that isn’t really how that works. Bullet construction and shape and rpm make more of difference than just the mass of the bullet.

I don't disagree with you on bullet construction and shape. But, all things considered, I would rather use the bigger, heavier version of the same bullet the larger the game animal gets provided accuracy wasn't impacted enough to matter.

What is the downside to using a 6CM vs a 22CM (I am trying to keep apples to apples as close as possible) on big game animals? A 6.5CM?

 

[z987k]

I don't disagree with you on bullet construction and shape. But, all things considered, I would rather use the bigger, heavier version of the same bullet the larger the game animal gets provided accuracy wasn't impacted enough to matter.

What is the downside to using a 6CM vs a 22CM (I am trying to keep apples to apples as close as possible) on big game animals? A 6.5CM?

I have a 6.5 and 22cm. The 22 is simply because I wanted a sub 4lb rifle. The 6.5cm has too much recoil to be accurate at the distances I wanted for that light of a rifle. If I cannot spot my shots in my own scope, then there's too much recoil for the accuracy I demand. Quite honestly, I don't know why anyone would want a rifle where they don't watch the bullet go out and hit. It just brings so much confidence that you can get it done. And in the event of a bad wind call, you can actually adjust rather than just chucking bullets wildly with guesses.
There's no difference terminally, so it's simply a matter of do I want to pack an extra 2lbs up the mountain for no reason at all?