Montana Rifle Company Junction 308Win Field Evaluation

[Formidilosus]

What power was that on - that reticle gets better and better every time I see it.

5x. It is extremely functional.

 

[Ajsomp]

5x. It is extremely functional.

That’s exceptional. I’ve been holding out selling a 4-16 atacr but I might just do so to pick up a minox

 

[The Guide]

Not worried at all about the limb? Not judging, just asking. Also, that didn’t seem like a surprise trigger pull. Again, not judging. I’ve found many times that in real life situations you have to actually pull the trigger to make the rifle fire when you want it too rather than being surprised by a smooth steady pull. Real hunting vs ideal circumstances and all.


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Big difference between a purposefully pull through and jerking the trigger. When you have a light crisp trigger the gun fires when you want it to.

Jay

 

[Formidilosus]

Not worried at all about the limb?

Yes I knew the limb was there.

Also, that didn’t seem like a surprise trigger pull. Again, not judging.

How did you determine that?

 

[clperry]

Yes I knew the limb was there.




How did you determine that?

Just from watching the video. If you say it was a text book trigger pull, I’m not the guy to argue with you. That’s why I said it seemed that way, not that it was.


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[clperry]

Big difference between a purposefully pull through and jerking the trigger. When you have a light crisp trigger the gun fires when you want it to.

Jay

I understand. I was not insinuating nor advocating bad technique. I’ve just noticed in real hunting scenarios, I’m not always “suprised” when my gun fires. It doesn’t mean the pull wasn’t smooth and the gun remained on target.


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[Jimbee]

I'm just super impressed that anyone can shoot whilst standing on top of a hiking stick.

 

[clperry]

Just from watching the video. If you say it was a text book trigger pull, I’m not the guy to argue with you. That’s why I said it seemed that way, not that it was.


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Also, I wasn’t saying that it was a bad thing. I’ve noticed in the videos you’ve posted you don’t waste time. When you’re on target, you shoot. Lots of folks I hunt and shoot with want things absolutely stable, breathe out, count to 2….. blah blah. I’ve always thought that if you were on target you were on target. If you can pull the trigger without leaving the target, life is good.


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[HingleMcCringleberry]

I understand. I was not insinuating nor advocating bad technique. I’ve just noticed in real hunting scenarios, I’m not always “suprised” when my gun fires. It doesn’t mean the pull wasn’t smooth and the gun remained on target.


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You should never be "surprised" when your gun fires.

 

[clperry]

You should never be "surprised" when your gun fires.

If the application of pressure to the trigger is linear and continuous, the arrival at the breaking point will in fact be “surprising.” That is unless you have a built in calibrated scale in your finger, and the rate of application is consistent every time. To know exactly when the rifle will fire, the exact amount or more pressure would have to be applied to the trigger instantaneously. How we feel about it doesn’t change the physics of it. My use of the word surprised was meant to be nuanced.


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[HingleMcCringleberry]

The word surprised infers/insinuates a lack of intent.

 

[Formidilosus]

Just from watching the video. If you say it was a text book trigger pull, I’m not the guy to argue with you. That’s why I said it seemed that way, not that it was.

What is a “text book trigger pull”?

 

[clperry]

What is a “text book trigger pull”?

Smooth consistent pressure directly reward that does not move the system from its intended point of aim.


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[Formidilosus]

Smooth consistent pressure directly reward that does not move the system from its intended point of aim.


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Ok- what makes you say that trigger press wasn’t smooth and consistent pressure to the rear?

 

[clperry]

The word surprised infers/insinuates a lack of intent.

Only if you didn’t understand what I meant. Hopefully that has been clarified.


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[id_jon]

The word surprised infers/insinuates a lack of intent.

The "surprise" trigger pull is meant to convey that you aren't "waiting, waiting, waiting, and NOW!", jerking/punching the trigger. You aren't caught totally off guard by your gun firing, obviously.

 

[clperry]

Ok- what makes you say that trigger press wasn’t smooth and consistent pressure to the rear?

It’s like I’m talking to my college professor again. I dig it. The speed at which you accomplished it. But I suppose that if you can apply that pressure quickly enough without changing the smoothness or direction of its application, the lines on the graph representing sear breakage and shooter anticipation would intersect at a point. That’s impressive if it’s the case. Sincerely, not sarcastically.


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[Formidilosus]

It’s like I’m talking to my college professor again. I dig it.

Haha just wanting to understand what you saw that brought that conclusion.

The speed at which you accomplished it. But I suppose that if you can apply that pressure quickly enough without changing the smoothness or direction of its application, the lines on the graph representing sear breakage and shooter anticipation would intersect at a point. That’s impressive if it’s the case. Sincerely, not sarcastically.

“Speed” is a poor metric. A normal shooter shooting .25 second splits with a pistol is probably wildly and dangerously out of control, and they might as well be hitting the trigger with a sledgehammer. For a USPSA GM .25 second splits is slow enough that they are bored with it.

It’s “trigger control”- not “trigger press” or trigger “squeeze”.

“Smooth and constant pressure to the rear until the trigger breaks at 90°”, can be achieved in 10 seconds from start to finish, or in 0.1 seconds from start to finish. Obviously 0.1 second requires a completely different level of skill and control than 10 seconds.

The shot in the video was not a “command” fire. The trigger press was compressed to around 0.5 seconds from start to finish. From that position, a “command” fire on the trigger making it fire “now!” would show a general up and right movement of the reticle as the shot broke- that is not present.

 

[Choupique]

super impressed that anyone can shoot whilst standing on top of a hiking stick

Why are yall talking about trigger pulls and not hiking stick stilts?

 

[gbflyer]

You should never be "surprised" when your gun fires.

Unless it’s a Savage.