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[TXCO]

What are the rules in WY, MT, ID about self defense on bears?

 

[tipsntails7]

I completely agree that being fully comfortable/having much experience behind your firearm is paramount. However, one factor (amongst probably many others), that can't really be assessed is, how an individual will react under that type of stressful situation.
I remember once watching a show that had real footage of LA cops in pursuit of a stolen vehicle. When they finally stopped the driver and had something like six or eight cops, semi surrounding the vehicle, weapons drawn, ordering him to get out, the driver started backing up and pulling forward ramming cop cars. After just a few seconds of doing this the police decided to open fire. I can't remember exactly how many rounds were fired at the vehicle/driver, but it was many, many, many rounds, and the driver was hit by one bullet. These were all well trained police officers and they had this guy boxed in and were all within feet of him. Just kind of goes to show how stressful situations and adrenaline pumping, can change your accuracy even if you are very competent at the range.


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My father was a swat officer in his younger years. The amount of rounds he sent down range weekly was pretty startling. He shot more in a week then most guys shoot in a year. He compared it to hitting a baseball, if you have to think about doing it you've already lost, except now if you don't hit it... you could die..


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[idelkslayer]

Considering the possible repercussions of killing a Grizzly in the lower 48, I'll stick to bear spray. Being dragged through the press, bankrupt and in prison may be better than being dead but not by much. Sounds like this guy might have deployed the spray too early to be effective. No matter what you use for protection there is no guarantee. His knowledge of how to protect himself saved him. The second attack is horrible luck.

 

[AK Troutbum]

I've had to kill brown bears in a DLP shooting here in Alaska/Kodiak, and although there is a bit of paperwork to fill out and questions to be answered, it wasn't that big of a deal. If I was ever in an area, like maybe the lower 48, where they would want to string you up, I would just do my best to take care of business and get rid of all evidence, but that's just me. I'll make no bones about it, I don't have a whole lotta use for aggressive, or nosy bears. I don't mind seeing them when I'm out and about and at a safe distance, but when they're in camp or I'm feeling threatened, I'll do my damnedest to kill it.


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[bigmoose]

I have hunted that same area and walked that exact trail many times back in the 60's and 70's. Mostly in the dark. We always knew there were bears but never had any trouble with them. None of us ever carried spray either. Kinda' puts a lump in my throat. That guy is one tough individual ! My hat's off to him !

 

[GFY]

I have a couple different buddies that have had to shoot bears in self defense in MT and never got their names dragged through the mud or did jail time or went bankrupt. I've been charged one time and the bear pulled up at 35 yards, not one time did the thought of jail time for shooting the bear enter my mind. My rifle was shouldered and I was ready to defend myself and am glad I did not have to shoot the bear but5 more yards and I would have pulled the trigger for sure.

I'm glad the guy is going to be ok tougher than most and tougher than me for sure.

 

[Hokkaido]

Yeah it's unfortunate that the grizz are so plentiful in some areas and not able to be hunted. But it's good to see some hunts finally approved, not soon enough it seems.

Coming back for a second time is unusual. I would have thought the bear would kill him and start burying him. One starts to wonder if the bear was agitated by the spray and was releasing some frustration, especially the way he described the bear biting harder when he moaned in pain.

But I guess it doesn't matter much now. Reading through all this the only word that really rings loud for me is "complacency". This guy has probably seen lots of bears and is familiar with typical bear behavior, he probably never thought the bear would go from running away to full on charge.

Bears are like dogs, some are shy, some are curious, and some are mean. This was obviously a mean one.

And yeah, I don't think spray is very useful on a charge. It's just going to quick to get the full effects of the spray, runs right through it. You'd have to spray until the bear is literally touching you to get enough up its nose. Spray has its place, guns have their place, but when a bear is charging you nothing is a given.

 

[tipsntails7]

I've had to kill brown bears in a DLP shooting here in Alaska/Kodiak, and although there is a bit of paperwork to fill out and questions to be answered, it wasn't that big of a deal. If I was ever in an area, like maybe the lower 48, where they would want to string you up, I would just do my best to take care of business and get rid of all evidence, but that's just me. I'll make no bones about it, I don't have a whole lotta use for aggressive, or nosy bears. I don't mind seeing them when I'm out and about and at a safe distance, but when they're in camp or I'm feeling threatened, I'll do my damnedest to kill it.


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Until some hikers or an actual warden saw it.. then your really screwed.


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[dog812]

I have had my share of run ins with grizz here in bc.
They always act a little different..
One time a mom and two big cubs let me go by them hundred yards from my truck . I was yelling and waving at them so they knew I was there.. But then when I got back to my truck they had worked their way around me and came out of the woods at my door. I jumped on the roof.
You just never know what they are going to do.
I always carry bear spray and use a safari sling to have the rifle ready.

 

[AK Troutbum]

Until some hikers or an actual warden saw it.. then your really screwed.


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Maybe so, but I'd much rather get caught trying to cover my tracks, then get mauled by a brown bear while holding a can of pepper spray. The bottom line is, I'll take my chances with the state trooper rather then taking my chances with a brown bear.


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[AK Troutbum]

A buddy of mine had a brown bear come out behind him this last summer, while he was fishing on a river. Apparently it came right up behind him, without him knowing. By the time he seen it, it was within a few feet of him, he pulled his spray out and shot it in the face. The bear promptly went back into the brush, rubbed it's face in the grass, then came back out to poke around some more. My buddy quickly gathered up his gear and left. He said that there was no doubt he hit it smack dab in the face and used a big portion of the can. This was on a bear that was just nosing around and wasn't acting aggressive and the spray had very little effect. I don't have any experience with pepper spray as I've never owned any or seen it used, but I do have a little bit of experience with lead spray and I know for a fact that it works.


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[BRobertson]

I have said several times on this site, and several others that if a person is willing to count on bear spray for their primary protection from an aggressive bear, then they are an example (or maybe I should say they might become an example ) of natural selection

 

[tipsntails7]

Maybe so, but I'd much rather get caught trying to cover my tracks, then get mauled by a brown bear while holding a can of pepper spray. The bottom line is, I'll take my chances with the state trooper rather then taking my chances with a brown bear.


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I'd rather deal with both appropriately.

I'm not up on grizzly deaths in the lower 48 but I've never herd of a guy shooting one in self defense getting into trouble. I could be wrong though.


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[belly-deep]

I carry both.

I've tried to empty a clip or two as fast as possible into a rather large target at relatively close range before. Such results don't give me a whole lot of confidence to use a pistol without getting chewed up.

That said, I know there's 13 rounds of 255gr hardcast 45 ACP ready to roll if one ever does get me on the ground. I won't miss when I stick the barrel against its ribs.

 

[mtluckydan]

Unfortunately, another bear that isn't afraid of humans has been created. The state and federal government continues to promote bear spray over firearms as the best defense for unfriendly bears. Another story to disprove their assumption. Why didn't he think of pulling his handgun? It obviously wasn't his first line of defense. How did that work out? What can we take away from this scenario? As documented on wikipedia (not personally verified), there have been 7 fatalities since 2010 in Montana & Wyoming from grizzly bears. I am unsure of how many people have been attacked and not killed in that same time frame, but let's just say more than 7. Let's take another step - how many people have been charged and not attacked. I'm sorry, but I don't have that fuzzy feeling of she's just protecting her cubs. So what. If you don't value your life more than a grizzly bear, carry bear spray or both. If you do value your life or your companions lives more than a bear, well you know the answer. The guy that produces counter assault bear spray was mauled by a bear and was inspired to invent the product. He's probably made a pile of cash from his mishap. It certainly hasn't solved the problem.
How many people have a false sense of security because of that one event?

 

[Hoytman 88]

Considering the possible repercussions of killing a Grizzly in the lower 48, I'll stick to bear spray. Being dragged through the press, bankrupt and in prison may be better than being dead but not by much. "
This is the disgusting reality, I hate to get political but this Griz situation and the wolf situation both are courtesy of the lib-tards!!. we are now living in a society that is being led by the nose by a group of people that believe it is perfectly fine to abort an unborn child but God help you if you shoot/kill a stupid bear in self defense... Lord help us

 

[Ray]

I completely agree that being fully comfortable/having much experience behind your firearm is paramount. However, one factor (amongst probably many others), that can't really be assessed is, how an individual will react under that type of stressful situation.
I remember once watching a show that had real footage of LA cops in pursuit of a stolen vehicle. When they finally stopped the driver and had something like six or eight cops, semi surrounding the vehicle, weapons drawn, ordering him to get out, the driver started backing up and pulling forward ramming cop cars. After just a few seconds of doing this the police decided to open fire. I can't remember exactly how many rounds were fired at the vehicle/driver, but it was many, many, many rounds, and the driver was hit by one bullet. These were all well trained police officers and they had this guy boxed in and were all within feet of him. Just kind of goes to show how stressful situations and adrenaline pumping, can change your accuracy even if you are very competent at the range.


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Some of my prior jobs required annual "bear guard" training. Pretty plain range time fun mostly. Until I went to a class by Steve Nelson where he had his charging bear target. Even though it was a silly wheeled cart with a paper target, it was being pulled at 15mph right towards you. If you didn't move out of the way it would smack you pretty hard. Its the most jacked up I've been with a gun in my hand since I was a boy. Performing a tactical reload on the 1895 to get the second round in resulted in a huge rush (until that day I had never handled a lever rifle). It makes you very aware that in a real life situation the bear is moving twice as fast as that target. Makes it clear that any complacency on my part may result in my death. And that not just any weapon will suffice. Its best to have bear murdering weapon and not a hunting weapon.

It would be nice if Rabbit Creek or Birchwood built a charging bear target system, but range safety becomes paramount, and neither place appears to be all adept at general range safety.

 

[rgroves79]

That man could drive off with a Belieber bumper sticker on his truck, and he'd still have all of my respect.

Meanwhile, on the East Coast....Women attacked by raccoons in Arlington | WJLA

People here in Nothern VA love all the furry critters until they have a run-in with one that doesn't match their Disney outlook about them. Reminds me of that Family Guy episode where Peter keeps getting mauled by the raccoon everytime he opens something
Family Guy Attack of the Raccoon - YouTube

 

[I Beam]

I carry both.

I've tried to empty a clip or two as fast as possible into a rather large target at relatively close range before. Such results don't give me a whole lot of confidence to use a pistol without getting chewed up.

That said, I know there's 13 rounds of 255gr hardcast 45 ACP ready to roll if one ever does get me on the ground. I won't miss when I stick the barrel against its ribs.

I've thought about this, oddly enough considering what happened in Ferguson MO. The officer's Sig 229 didn't fire at first because Michael Brown had his hand on the slide of the pistol. Just enough to push it back so it wouldn't fire. Which brings me to a bear encounter, IF you're up close or god help on the ground, I'd rather have a revolver or a large fixed blade.

 

[realunlucky]

Don't think a large fixed blade knife is doing much here.

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