Montana corner crossing lawsuit.

This isn’t going to end well, Montana is a shit show for sportsman politically right now. Groups like upom and others have allot of political power, toss in the current issues with get administration and it’s bad.


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Following! Initially I would’ve been worried about a counter ruling in the 9th, but agree if there’s any time to press the topic/issue, it’s now. From what I’ve followed, I think in WY they had a really solid case which is a great leading example, and I’d only hope with the current bench at SCOTUS that they’d rule in our favor if it ever got that far.
The last thing proponents of corner crossing want is a counter ruling in the 9th. With a favorable ruling in the 9th corner crossing is legal in just about everywhere there is a public land corner that applies. A national ruling from SCOTUS doesn't gain much more access, but a unfavorable ruling from SCOTUS and you lose it all. Too much risk for what you potentially gain.
 
The recent win in Iron Bar Holdings vs. Cape is a huge legal precedent. Why would the 9th Circuit go against the 10th? I don't think they will. If they do, SCOTUS will slap that down. Corner crossing is here to stay.

Montana billionaires fighting against this doesn't worry me at all. The Unlawful Inclosures Act of 1885 makes it clear that public land must be accessible. Anyone with a functioning brain and the slightest bit of neutrality on the issue would agree that corner crossing is in no way trespassing. How we got here cracks me up.

The amount of money and time that Mr. Eshelman squandered by going after the Missouri hunters will go down as one of the greatest backfires in American history. To keep people off the public property he felt was his, he dumped millions of dollars. As a result of his greed and unlimited funds to fight a losing issue, corner crossing is now legal in six states. Incidentally, these six states contain a huge percentage of our country's corner-locked public property.
 
The recent win in Iron Bar Holdings vs. Cape is a huge legal precedent. Why would the 9th Circuit go against the 10th? I don't think they will. If they do, SCOTUS will slap that down. Corner crossing is here to stay.

Montana billionaires fighting against this doesn't worry me at all. The Unlawful Inclosures Act of 1885 makes it clear that public land must be accessible. Anyone with a functioning brain and the slightest bit of neutrality on the issue would agree that corner crossing is in no way trespassing. How we got here cracks me up.

The amount of money and time that Mr. Eshelman squandered by going after the Missouri hunters will go down as one of the greatest backfires in American history. To keep people off the public property he felt was his, he dumped millions of dollars. As a result of his greed and unlimited funds to fight a losing issue, corner crossing is now legal in six states. Incidentally, these six states contain a huge percentage of our country's corner-locked public property.
This is exactly right, case law from Iron Bar Holdings vs. Cape is what sets legal precedents for this lawsuit that these conservation groups just filed against FWP.
 
This is exactly right, case law from Iron Bar Holdings vs. Cape is what sets legal precedents for this lawsuit that these conservation groups just filed against FWP.
And all through the first case, I heard several attorneys talk about the different districts and how, the 9th district had a very different "personality" so to speak and how the outcome could be quite different.

Not sure yet what I think of this case.
 
Not looking good when viewed with MT drone law. See attached article:

The FAA altitude limit for drones is 400',
That leaves 180-200' for my drone to fly within, no problem. Drone camera can zoom as well.

The FAA knows immediately when my licensed drone takes off; the drone's GPS coordinates, flight path, altitude heading, windage & originating home point/waypoint of the take-off.
 
Well it’s taken a bad turn. Just got an email from BHA that the “ Montana Board of Land Commissioners will consider sweeping revisions to the State's Land Exchange Policy that could significantly impact public land access, checkerboarded lands, access to public waters, and the future management of Montana's state trust lands.”

Sent an email to the Land Board and the Governor urging them to wait until the lawsuit has been settled.

The Land Board has been pretty anti sportsman for the last 10 years or so; the Governor no better :(
 
Well it’s taken a bad turn. Just got an email from BHA that the “ Montana Board of Land Commissioners will consider sweeping revisions to the State's Land Exchange Policy that could significantly impact public land access, checkerboarded lands, access to public waters, and the future management of Montana's state trust lands.”

Sent an email to the Land Board and the Governor urging them to wait until the lawsuit has been settled.

The Land Board has been pretty anti sportsman for the last 10 years or so; the Governor no better :(
Is this result of the lawsuit or the plan all along?
 
The recent win in Iron Bar Holdings vs. Cape is a huge legal precedent. Why would the 9th Circuit go against the 10th? I don't think they will. If they do, SCOTUS will slap that down. Corner crossing is here to stay.

Montana billionaires fighting against this doesn't worry me at all. The Unlawful Inclosures Act of 1885 makes it clear that public land must be accessible. Anyone with a functioning brain and the slightest bit of neutrality on the issue would agree that corner crossing is in no way trespassing. How we got here cracks me up.

The amount of money and time that Mr. Eshelman squandered by going after the Missouri hunters will go down as one of the greatest backfires in American history. To keep people off the public property he felt was his, he dumped millions of dollars. As a result of his greed and unlimited funds to fight a losing issue, corner crossing is now legal in six states. Incidentally, these six states contain a huge percentage of our country's corner-locked public property.
All is well until someone gets hurt or killed. And unfortunately this will be the next court hearing Malicious wounding or Murder while corner crossing. Some people just don’t think about what may and can happen when you are trespassing, no animal is worth the risk. The rancher that took the Missouri men to court would have spend less money on a murder trail and probably got off. I’ve often wonder how many people have been shot over right of ways. Not even AI knows !! I know in just our county quite a few. Y’all remember the Nevada Rancher the Bundy standoff, who went to jail 🤣 not Mr Bundy the rancher and this was against our BLM government. Time will tell, good thing John Dutton was killed 🤣.
PS: Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. If I decide to go for greener pastures, I’ll just get a helicopter to drop me off. I’ve often wondered who paid the lawyer fees for the Missouri hunters or were they that wealthy? Petty sure they could have purchased a helicopter for them lawyer fees.
 
Is this result of the lawsuit or the plan all along?

I think it’s a sneaky way to get ahead of the lawsuit. Sell a bunch of applicable state lands before they would subject to corner crossing (if the lawsuit was successful).

It wouldn’t just affect State Lands either. Plenty of State Lands that would give access to BLM and USFS lands.
 
I think it’s a sneaky way to get ahead of the lawsuit. Sell a bunch of applicable state lands before they would subject to corner crossing (if the lawsuit was successful).

It wouldn’t just affect State Lands either. Plenty of State Lands that would give access to BLM and USFS lands.
Could Bha file a motion to prevent the dissolution of assets by land commission?
 
That I don’t know. They definitely want to get as many folks to write the Governor and Land Board as possible.
 
I would think the state of MT would be required before any lands are offered for sale/sold , that any of those lands that are offered for sale would be sold to the highest bidder. Not to the current land holder who controls the lease(s).
 
I would think the state of MT would be required before any lands are offered for sale/sold , that any of those lands that are offered for sale would be sold to the highest bidder. Not to the current land holder who controls the lease(s).

That’s generally true, but the State Land(s) then become deeded and any previous access is gone (for the public, the new owner would have access).
 
I would think the state of MT would be required before any lands are offered for sale/sold , that any of those lands that are offered for sale would be sold to the highest bidder. Not to the current land holder who controls the lease(s).
It would be useless to anyone else no right of way it’s land locked. The problem is the government couldn’t care less about your public lands, if you haven’t figure that out by now you never will. If they did they would have already granted an access through the private lands, they don’t mind using Eminent domain when it applies to their wants.
 
It would be useless to anyone else no right of way it’s land locked. The problem is the government couldn’t care less about your public lands, if you haven’t figure that out by now you never will. If they did they would have already granted an access through the private lands, they don’t mind using Eminent domain when it applies to their wants.
My entire career has been involved in many complicated real estate transactions in 6 states . I believe I understand how the systems work and what is involved .
 
I’ll give you a prime example of how your government operates. I purchased a 5x5 or less left over tag in Wyoming Unit 122 last year. The whole unit is checker boarded and they have oil rigs on the majority of the BLM blocks with no public access 😮WOW. I’m talking roads big as highways nicely graveled. Zero oil rigs sitting on private property only on the BLM. An outfitter has the private property leased so what you think he’s doing 🤣 hunting the public 🤣 how do I know one of the guides asked how I got in there told him none of his business I’m on public property. This is how your government operates your BLM lands with your tax $$$$$$. I was successful on my DIY hunt and harvested a nice 5x5 on BLM lands with no help from our government. You can’t make this 💩 up. Oil rigs are ok but hunting access isn’t. Screw them.
 
My entire career has been involved in many complicated real estate transactions in 6 states . I believe I understand how the systems work and what is involved .
Then why are you asking why, if you know it all already. Sounds like you might be part of the problem instead of the solution. Real Estate companies are the problem, they sell these ranches advertising the public land to be land lock as there’s to use no public access.
 
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