Missouri Non Res Changes

[realunlucky]

the argument was 1 buck tag, possibility of quota permits, and 1 other thing. Dont blame me for believing what folks write.

I know the laws where i hunt, rely on folks to fill in the gaps elsewhere. Research it all you want.

I don't have to research it- I was well informed and commented to the MDC with my opinion after hunting missiouri as a non-resident for over twenty years.

As usual they make rule changes to say they did something but that won't address the issue.

You are correct that less tags costing sufficiently more money is the bleak future of hunting out of state.

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[Kurts86]

Did you read the stats @Marine4life posted?

If Missouri allocated 10-15% of tags to NR like a lot of western states do .... there would be exactly the same number of NRs hunting Missouri as there are right now. 12% of the hunters are funding 53% of the tag revenue. If you cut that number by half, do you expect them to pay twice as much? Or do you expect Resident tag prices to double?

Oh wait, they don't pay for tags in Shannon County

It’s not a money grab, MDC is only 17% funded by license sales and the balance being the 1/8 cent state wide sales tax. Missouri is the best funded wildlife department in the country.

 

[OneGunTex]

It’s not a money grab, MDC is only 17% funded by license sales and the balance being the 1/8 cent state wide sales tax. Missouri is the best funded wildlife department in the country.

Oh I know. That's why they have so much great public land.
So the reason is just "stickin it to the nonres" plain and simple, just for spite. Clearly not overcrowding if it's only 10% of hunters. (And it's less than 10%, for the reason I gave earlier)

 

[Glendon Mullins]

Would this make it a better hunting experience for everyone ? (including non resident) if so we all should be for it, i am fine paying a little more, if it promotes a better experience aka less crowds and bigger deer etc.

and this is coming from a non resident

 

[realunlucky]

Would this make it a better hunting experience for everyone ? (including non resident) if so we all should be for it, i am fine paying a little more, if it promotes a better experience aka less crowds and bigger deer etc.

and this is coming from a non resident

Why would it make for a better experience? That's an honest question what does this improve?Crowding? Non residents can still be out every day blasting does.

If older age bucks transfer cwd at a higher rate, why would the management goal be to raise the age class?

I get the frustration but can't understand why this is the solution.

 

[Pulleye16]

Yep, not that it matters but I won’t be hunting MO after these changes so it’s working.

I’m not paying those prices, plus room and board to hunt a public land buck.

For around double the price, I can hunt the beautiful mountains out west, enjoy the scenery, and hunt elk AND muley.

I honestly hope this backfires but unfortunately there are many who’ll pay around $500 to hunt public land deer.

 

[Pulleye16]

Would this make it a better hunting experience for everyone ? (including non resident) if so we all should be for it, i am fine paying a little more, if it promotes a better experience aka less crowds and bigger deer etc.

and this is coming from a non resident

Hunted public land MO as a non res archery hunter for years and NEVER felt crowded. Sometimes I’m the only one in the entire CA.

This is all about MO res having their panties in a bunch. Nothing to do about deer quality or crowding. They just complain about everything down there. And poach. And trespass.

 

[Luked]

Hunted public land MO as a non res archery hunter for years and NEVER felt crowded. Sometimes I’m the only one in the entire CA.

This is all about MO res having their panties in a bunch. Nothing to do about deer quality or crowding. They just complain about everything down there. And poach. And trespass.

As a MO resident my entire life, and also a Public land hunter I can say I have never poached and also never trespassed, So just so you know not everyone is like that. Is there an issue with both of those things..Sure just like every state has.

As for hardly ever seeing anyone on a CA, man I wish I could see that,
A couple years ago I went north by myself for opening weekend of our Rifle deer season.
A northern CA i have hunted multiple times. In one parking lot where I was camped, there were vehicles from 12 states...I counted. All the way from Florida, Alabama to Wisconsin and Even western states like CO and WY.

Its no different than all of the changes CO has made for their Elk season in the last few years. But those threads are also just like this one, split down the middle with Res and NR liking and disliking the new changes.

MO has most all of our neighboring states which hold the majority of Record book deer have higher tags and also draw systems and limited tags. MO has been the back up plan for people for years, Just like CO OTC tags were for the west. But now thats all changed as well.

Try and get a tag for KS, IA or IL and see how long you would wait. Yet even still a NR can come here and still (at this time) buy a tag over the counter, yet it costs more than it did last year and everyone is up in arms over it.

Personally I like the changes and I think they have been needed for years. Sure we have a pile of Deer in MO. We also have a pile of hunters as well.
It isn't about the deer management in my opinion. it is about crowding in our Public lands.
Take CO for a small example. CO has (according to google) 24 Million acres of Public Ground, Missouri has just over 3 Million.
I would jsut guess that CO biggest game for a hunter is Elk...For 2025 (Again according to google( CO sole roughly 130,000 Elk tags.
Missouri MDC Estimated ( again according to google) 900,000 tags.

Talk about apples to Oranges.

I havent had the chance like a lot here to hunt west much. Only been once. But I also play the points game in 2 states CO & WY.
I know that if I get a tag in those states ill be lucky. And I am 100% ok with how it all works.
Why should MO be any different.

 

[Pescetism]

If older age bucks transfer cwd at a higher rate, why would the management goal be to raise the age class?

Just for clarification, MDC has stated that younger bucks, specifically yearlings, transfer CWD at a higher rate which is why they have rescinded antler point restrictions in CWD counties.

 

[realunlucky]

Just for clarification, MDC has stated that younger bucks, specifically yearlings, transfer CWD at a higher rate which is why they have rescinded antler point restrictions in CWD counties.

Interesting as that concept is counter to most cwd research I've heard although it's mostly focused on muledeer. There is no test for live deer and cwd typically doesn't manifest itself for years so collecting data to support that theory must have been difficult.

 

[realunlucky]

Can antlered bucks be harvested using cwd permits?

If you are hunting in a county that is open during the antlerless portion of the firearms deer season, you may harvest an antlered buck while using a CWD management permit.

Take a look at this program- 5 acre minimum requirement 5 cwd permits per property. Tags can be designed to any hunter with firearms deer permit.



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[Lawnboi]

You guys are funny. Begging for everything to cost more because you think it’s going to help the government do their job

 

[Pulleye16]

You guys are funny. Begging for everything to cost more because you think it’s going to help the government do their job

lol. I agree. I live in MN and the more money the government has, the more the mess it up…it’s all a bunch of fraud.

 

[NRA4LIFE]

Just for clarification, MDC has stated that younger bucks, specifically yearlings, transfer CWD at a higher rate which is why they have rescinded antler point restrictions in CWD counties.

This is puzzling to me. The gal at the test station in November told one guy they don't even test yearlings (fawns). They took the head, threw it in a giant garbage bin and he left.