Minox ZP5 5-25 Input

To echo what others have said.

It's an amazing scope. The THLR reticle is the only way to fly. It's a bit tough to learn how to use. You need to shoot it and do some practicing so it's second nature while in the field. The reticle is amazing in the field when you understand how to use it. I can't overstate how well it works in use.

The scope itself i like better then my atacr in every aspect. Eyebox, glass etc. I dont know which scope is lighter but frankly. It's a giant scope so if you even considering it weight isn't a concern. If weight is a concern I'm going maven rs1.2. Otherwise I'm using this scope.
 
Where does a guy find this video from @THLR pertaining to using the thlr reticle? I have had a zp5 mr4 for a long time, it's been a great scope, but the reticle is mainly target/comp use.
 

There are more tutorial videos on his channel and in the review thread Form did located in the long range forum.
Watched some, very dumbed down in the videos, with no vocal explaining of how his system really works, just short video clips with 2-3 words.

I get his light med strong bracket idea. His wind eval foliage movement videos pretty intuitive. I'd like to figure out his bracketing math, 100% value? He has 3 different brackets for 3 wind speeds 300-500m, just have to memorize location of the bracket on the stadia, as it's not really indicated in reticle other than these different shadings.

Guess a guy would have to sit down and memorize wind brackets at 100% value, and then just fractionalize based upon the vector of the wind to target with best judgement of the terrain. This image from a scope review on the hide explains things a lil more.

Edit: his videos make me want a blaser r8 as fast that bolt runs.
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Guess a guy would have to sit down and memorize wind brackets at 100% value, and then just fractionalize based upon the vector of the wind to target with best judgement of the terrain.

This is just my opinion based off of watching his tutorials, but I think the over arching theme is "go shoot and learn." Much like Form's quick drop method for holds out to 600, with enough shooting they become intuitive and memorized.

Just what I've gathered, I could be completely incorrect.
 
Watched some, very dumbed down in the videos, with no vocal explaining of how his system really works, just short video clips with 2-3 words.

I get his light med strong bracket idea. His wind eval foliage movement videos pretty intuitive. I'd like to figure out his bracketing math, 100% value? He has 3 different brackets for 3 wind speeds 300-500m, just have to memorize location of the bracket on the stadia, as it's not really indicated in reticle other than these different shadings.

Guess a guy would have to sit down and memorize wind brackets at 100% value, and then just fractionalize based upon the vector of the wind to target with best judgement of the terrain. This image from a scope review on the hide explains things a lil more.

Edit: his videos make me want a blaser r8 as fast that bolt runs.
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Have you read through Form's review and the Q&A thread? Lots of information in there ...
 
PS @khuber84 - yes, some of @THLR's videos about the ZP5 appear to not be saying much about it ... I recommend reading all of Form's description in his eval, and then watching the videos, pausing them (or playing at a slow speed), and referencing back to Form's text ... it will make sense.

Sometimes, Thomas's content is designed for people to really extract the information for themselves. I was in the same boat as you - thought that the videos didn't contain much info - but it IS there ... Thomas sometimes just makes us all work for it a bit. ;)
 
Are folks still picking these up? Looks like you can back order them on B&H and Eurooptic but interesting they seem relatively hard to come by. Super intriguing optic
 
Are folks still picking these up? Looks like you can back order them on B&H and Eurooptic but interesting they seem relatively hard to come by. Super intriguing optic
Last I looked, they were still in the Minox catalog, so should be available to order. A quick email to B&H or Euro will get you an answer.

I picked up two for an incredibly cheap price from a distributor who was discontinuing their Minox contract.

Still, when the 'Rokscope' arrives, it will be interesting to see just how much demand there is for the ZP5.

Which is not to say it doesn't still have a niche.
 
Are folks still picking these up? Looks like you can back order them on B&H and Eurooptic but interesting they seem relatively hard to come by. Super intriguing optic
The reticle is the money maker. The glass is very good as well but the scope is heavy in comparison. You may be willing to pay that price but the heavier the scope on a lightweight hunting rifle isn’t my thing
 
The reticle is the money maker. The glass is very good as well but the scope is heavy in comparison. You may be willing to pay that price but the heavier the scope on a lightweight hunting rifle isn’t my thing

Apparently the scope that UM and Form have spec'd out and are having built has a simplified version of this reticle, with a weight/design that's more appropriate to more common hunting needs. I keep going back and forth on picking up a ZP5 now, with its exceptional optical qualities and ruggedness but excessive size and weight, vs waiting until next year for the new scope. Every time I read something on the Minox though, I keep thinking I should just get it now, and pick up a couple of the new ones after they come out.
 
Apparently the scope that UM and Form have spec'd out and are having built has a simplified version of this reticle, with a weight/design that's more appropriate to more common hunting needs. I keep going back and forth on picking up a ZP5 now, with its exceptional optical qualities and ruggedness but excessive size and weight, vs waiting until next year for the new scope. Every time I read something on the Minox though, I keep thinking I should just get it now, and pick up a couple of the new ones after they come out.
yeah I know the rokscope is in the works with that reticle. And @THLR is here in the forum too

I mean it’s your money, but for a hunting scope until I see this rokscope in action and final form - I went back to all Swfa. Having a 2+ lb optic on a gun that could otherwise be 7lb total is not my preference. The maven was great but to me it wasn’t worth 3-4 times what a Swfa 6x was or twice what a 3-9. Even the 3-15 would work just as well.

I’ll be excited for a ~20oz scope with that simplified reticle, parallax, low profile locking turrets with zero stop.

Until then I’ll keep killing stuff with the ugly super chickens.
 
I’ve got an old school TRG 22 on order so weight isn’t really a consideration for my next scope but more interested in this model continuing to be supported/successful. Wanting to try something new, european feels right. Nightforce (or rs1.2 for hunting weight rifles) has been my default for everything and not interested in spending S&B money but the ZP5 feels right with its compelling mix of features and that sweet reticle in the THLR for the price range it’s in
 
I’ve got an old school TRG 22 on order so weight isn’t really a consideration for my next scope but more interested in this model continuing to be supported/successful.
And I think that's the question ... the THLR reticle didn't seem to catch on with the competition crowd. Some of the original market appeared to be military, but we don't know how much it was picked up. With the RS1.2 and then the Rokscope, those will do most that hunters need except in very specific circumstances.

So there's a chance that its product life might be short - we just don't know.

But the scope will likely remain relevant, no matter what else comes along.

So there's a pretty good case for picking one (or more) up now. And I think there'd be a small but strong enough market for them secondhand if anyone decided they didn't like it, the RS1.2 or Rokscope did what they needed, and so on.
 
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