Mechanical failure or ????

[Skerhunter]

If you're getting within 10 yards of him repeatedly, go shoot him again and tell us what happened the first time. My guess is you were high, got part of the diaphragm but skipped through above liver and below the spine.

Blood trails are variable. I killed a deer greatest with a double lung, there was zero blood. Fortunately he died in sight or I would have had a heck of a time finding him.

It blows my mind that I can get that close to him and yet not get a shot off! With a gun he would be dead already. He is in some thick cedar trees, so I am crawling around on my hands and knees trying to find him.

I thought I had tracked every possible blood trail up until this one! I’ve hit a bunch higher that were tough, but deer were dead so easy to find. Fixed two blade heads kill great, but those trials can suck even with low exits. Worst one I had the stomach lining stuck out the off side hole and entrance was high. Zero blood on that one, but was able to follow tracks and it didn’t go more than 100 yards. Most disappointing one up this this point was low single lung. Very good lung blood that just kept going for a half mile and eventually clotted up. That deer was able to survive.

 

[Blockcaver]

I've had a couple instances where I was sure of my hit based on arrow fletch indications.

Case one: 535 gr arrow with an extremely sharp Zwickey Delta fixed 4-blade broadhead ran down the ribs of a decent whitetail buck. Shot was from a stand 10' up at 20 yards. Full pass through, arrow fletch said I hit mid-height in chest and expected a dead buck within 100 yds. With fresh snow on the ground and pheasant hunters in area that saw the buck I was able to piece together what really happened....arrow hit where I aimed but ran down the ribs and passed through creating only a flesh wound on the entry and exit below the entry. Fletch indications were good but the arrow had deflected toward the ground. Trailed the buck 5 miles before he bedded in snowberry bushes off the river bottom (measured by odometer as I was hunting a 13 mile stretch of public land along the South Platte River in CO). Blood trail started out decent but then really diminished as the trail went on. Two groups of pheasant hunters saw the buck and had no idea he'd been hit by an arrow as he was just motoring along. Bottom line, flesh wound on a "perfect hit" due to an arrow deflection on a rib. The buck undoubtably was chasing does again that evening.

Case 2: Same set up as case 1...sharp Zwickey 4-blade Delta fixed blade broadhead deflected on rib and angled forward in to the chest of a decent bull elk. Fletch indication was I hit the elk too far back. Shot was slightly down hill around timberline an hour after daylight. At the hit I was sure it was "guts", I waited 6 hours before picking up the blood trail....which was very good and led to a dead elk in 80 yards. The arrow had deflected off the last rib forward into the lungs, despite the fletch indications that told me that it hit even further back than actual.

After this event I made a "rack of ribs" that were placed in front of my foam target....small 1/4" diameter hardwood dowels pressed into a 2x4 on about 1" centers as I remember it. Shot the ribs at 20 yards with the Zwickey broadheads mentioned above. Arrows entered the foam target at anywhere from straight in from my position to 20* to 30* off-line from what was straight in. Convinced me right there that ribs can and do deflect arrows if the broadhead contacts the side of the rib.

Obviously every case is different, as you know and suspect. Hope you find your buck and tell us what really happened. May or may not be a mechanical not opening.

 

[Skerhunter]

I've had a couple instances where I was sure of my hit based on arrow fletch indications.

Case one: 535 gr arrow with an extremely sharp Zwickey Delta fixed 4-blade broadhead ran down the ribs of a decent whitetail buck. Shot was from a stand 10' up at 20 yards. Full pass through, arrow fletch said I hit mid-height in chest and expected a dead buck within 100 yds. With fresh snow on the ground and pheasant hunters in area that saw the buck I was able to piece together what really happened....arrow hit where I aimed but ran down the ribs and passed through creating only a flesh wound on the entry and exit below the entry. Fletch indications were good but the arrow had deflected toward the ground. Trailed the buck 5 miles before he bedded in snowberry bushes off the river bottom (measured by odometer as I was hunting a 13 mile stretch of public land along the South Platte River in CO). Blood trail started out decent but then really diminished as the trail went on. Two groups of pheasant hunters saw the buck and had no idea he'd been hit by an arrow as he was just motoring along. Bottom line, flesh wound on a "perfect hit" due to an arrow deflection on a rib. The buck undoubtably was chasing does again that evening.

Case 2: Same set up as case 1...sharp Zwickey 4-blade Delta fixed blade broadhead deflected on rib and angled forward in to the chest of a decent bull elk. Fletch indication was I hit the elk too far back. Shot was slightly down hill around timberline an hour after daylight. At the hit I was sure it was "guts", I waited 6 hours before picking up the blood trail....which was very good and led to a dead elk in 80 yards. The arrow had deflected off the last rib forward into the lungs, despite the fletch indications that told me that it hit even further back than actual.

After this event I made a "rack of ribs" that were placed in front of my foam target....small 1/4" diameter hardwood dowels pressed into a 2x4 on about 1" centers as I remember it. Shot the ribs at 20 yards with the Zwickey broadheads mentioned above. Arrows entered the foam target at anywhere from straight in from my position to 20* to 30* off-line from what was straight in. Convinced me right there that ribs can and do deflect arrows if the broadhead contacts the side of the rib.

Obviously every case is different, as you know and suspect. Hope you find your buck and tell us what really happened. May or may not be a mechanical not opening.

Thanks for sharing - great info!

 

[Skerhunter]

I would bet you got a deflection inside the animal that caused it to go around at least one lung. Last year, I bought an 80# RX8 Ultra after shooting a 70# Patriot since 2002. I tried to use the same arrows because I had close to 2 dozen. They would tune and group just fine. I shot 4 deer with that set-up. 2 of them had entrance holes in the correct place and deflected inside the cavity. On both of those I watched the arrow kick when it hit. The most egregious one was a doe fawn. When we finally found her, the exit hole was low in the guts. I flipped her over and the entrance was exactly mid height in the crease of the shoulder. The shot was spot and stalk on level ground, so it wasn't the angle from the stand.

I just shot the first deer this year a couple days ago with 250 spine Sonics and got the normal result. Arrow took the straight, expected path through and stuck in the dirt. The deer died in sight after traveling less than 40 yards. The blood trail was easy to find and follow at a fast walk in the dark even though we watched it fall.

There are all sorts of things that can cause deflections including animal movement while the arrow is in flight (which you really have no control over).

I've had a couple instances where I was sure of my hit based on arrow fletch indications.

Case one: 535 gr arrow with an extremely sharp Zwickey Delta fixed 4-blade broadhead ran down the ribs of a decent whitetail buck. Shot was from a stand 10' up at 20 yards. Full pass through, arrow fletch said I hit mid-height in chest and expected a dead buck within 100 yds. With fresh snow on the ground and pheasant hunters in area that saw the buck I was able to piece together what really happened....arrow hit where I aimed but ran down the ribs and passed through creating only a flesh wound on the entry and exit below the entry. Fletch indications were good but the arrow had deflected toward the ground. Trailed the buck 5 miles before he bedded in snowberry bushes off the river bottom (measured by odometer as I was hunting a 13 mile stretch of public land along the South Platte River in CO). Blood trail started out decent but then really diminished as the trail went on. Two groups of pheasant hunters saw the buck and had no idea he'd been hit by an arrow as he was just motoring along. Bottom line, flesh wound on a "perfect hit" due to an arrow deflection on a rib. The buck undoubtably was chasing does again that evening.

Case 2: Same set up as case 1...sharp Zwickey 4-blade Delta fixed blade broadhead deflected on rib and angled forward in to the chest of a decent bull elk. Fletch indication was I hit the elk too far back. Shot was slightly down hill around timberline an hour after daylight. At the hit I was sure it was "guts", I waited 6 hours before picking up the blood trail....which was very good and led to a dead elk in 80 yards. The arrow had deflected off the last rib forward into the lungs, despite the fletch indications that told me that it hit even further back than actual.

After this event I made a "rack of ribs" that were placed in front of my foam target....small 1/4" diameter hardwood dowels pressed into a 2x4 on about 1" centers as I remember it. Shot the ribs at 20 yards with the Zwickey broadheads mentioned above. Arrows entered the foam target at anywhere from straight in from my position to 20* to 30* off-line from what was straight in. Convinced me right there that ribs can and do deflect arrows if the broadhead contacts the side of the rib.

Obviously every case is different, as you know and suspect. Hope you find your buck and tell us what really happened. May or may not be a mechanical not opening.

Just a quick update - it appears you two called it. I finally got some pics of this deer up and moving. Arrow exit was low and in front of the left shoulder meaning the arrow took a hard right upon entrance of the ribs. Exit looks like a quartering away shot that was too far forward (deer was broadside if not slightly quartering too). There is a huge abscess that formed in this area, which explains why he stinks so bad. Lack of blood is still a mystery unless I was lucky enough to get a deflection and have my blade also not deploy.

The deer didn’t really move for a full 2.5 weeks. Hopefully I have a better chance to end this in the next few days now that he is up moving around more.

 

[Beendare]

I had a g5 t3 not open once. hardly any blood, I think it was liver but I found her less than 100 yards away by following the flies that were attracted to the specs of liver bits along the trail and the arrow with the unopened broadhead was still inside her. Imo if you make a good shot and get lungs even with a field point they'll die. They may run more but they'll die. View attachment 964576

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I've seen the exact opposite with that head. A buddies arrow was doing loop d loops to the deer, now was making a big circle, lost the deer, little penentration. The Blades were coming loose in flight and when he took them out of his quiver.

I've seen other designs with the little rubber bands do the same thing.

It's a fail for sure.....using a BH design that screw up your shot like that.

 

[camping1601]

I had a g5 t3 not open once. hardly any blood, I think it was liver but I found her less than 100 yards away by following the flies that were attracted to the specs of liver bits along the trail and the arrow with the unopened broadhead was still inside her. Imo if you make a good shot and get lungs even with a field point they'll die. They may run more but they'll die. View attachment 964576

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Also had a fail to open with a T3. Buck didn't go very far either.