McGuire Ballistics field and terminal reports

[bowrunner81]

Is there a link to these 100s of photos I could check out? There’s only about 45 or so animal/wound/bullet photos in this thread.

I’d love to see more if you could link them please.

Im guessing hes talking about this:

McGuire Ballistics Feild Reports

270 Winchester 128GR CRMF 3150MV 150 Yards Entry? Exit?

www.longrangehunting.com

I havnt gone through them, but Ive read there is more photos here

 

[atmat]

New ideas from a small bullet company will survive only with customer support.

Customer support will only occur with quality products and functional engagement.

 

[eoperator]

Customer support will only occur with quality products and functional engagement.

You win

 

[Jake Larsen]

-Small business owner with a great idea; If I get enough time and sales I will gain the knowledge and resources to properly test and represent my product. But I need to be careful about showing weakness or my product will not sell or will be copied by others.

-Rokslide; if you don't properly doppler radar and gel test all of your product to fbi standards in significant sample size we will not buy your products.


I ordered some of your 6mm bullets looking forward to shooting them.

Get yourself some funding. If your idea really is great, that isn’t that hard. There’s entire platforms dedicated to crowdfunding (a really good idea!) Or seek private investors. They will see $$ and be thrilled to jump on board. Then you can do R&D and bring a good product to market.

That’s the marker of a truly good idea. Other people think it’s a good idea too, both from an investment and a consumer standpoint.

If you’re worried about copycats, get a patent

-another small business owner


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[SDHNTR]

Get yourself some funding. If your idea really is great, that isn’t that hard. There’s entire platforms dedicated to crowdfunding (a really good idea!) Or seek private investors. They will see $$ and be thrilled to jump on board. Then you can do R&D and bring a good product to market.

That’s the marker of a truly good idea. Other people think it’s a good idea too, both from an investment and a consumer standpoint.

If you’re worried about copycats, get a patent

-another small business owner


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This guy gets it. I’m so tired of the consumer being used for R&D post product delivery!

Hell, now companies are even securing “investors” for product ideas under the guise of “making a deposit”. Even McMillian is doing it now… We don’t have the guts to act like big boys and don’t want the scary risk of funding something new, so we’re gonna sucker the consumer into giving us interest free loans and equity free investments to front the dough for this new experiment! And people actually open their wallets to do it! It’s insane.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Im guessing hes talking about this:

McGuire Ballistics Feild Reports

270 Winchester 128GR CRMF 3150MV 150 Yards Entry? Exit?

www.longrangehunting.com

I havnt gone through them, but Ive read there is more photos here

I’m not a member of that place but I’ll take a peek. Thanks!

 

[HuntHarder]

Pretty rare to get an owner of the company come onto a chat forum and answer questions. It is a shame that he left before the questions could get answered. In reading most of the threads about these bullets, it seems like the owner brought these to market too soon for Rokslide. The bullets seem much more favorably received on other forums and I am sure he thought they would be here as well. Boy was he wrong. I am not sure he was ready for the technical questions. No doubt lots of animals have died to these bullets, maybe just brought to market too soon without having concrete #'s. Kind of reminded me of shark tank when the entrepreneur doesn't know their own #'s and Mr wonderful goes all Rokslide on em.

 

[wind gypsy]

Pretty rare to get an owner of the company come onto a chat forum and answer questions. It is a shame that he left before the questions could get answered. In reading most of the threads about these bullets, it seems like the owner brought these to market too soon for Rokslide. The bullets seem much more favorably received on other forums and I am sure he thought they would be here as well. Boy was he wrong. I am not sure he was ready for the technical questions. No doubt lots of animals have died to these bullets, maybe just brought to market too soon without having concrete #'s. Kind of reminded me of shark tank when the entrepreneur doesn't know their own #'s and Mr wonderful goes all Rokslide on em.

I don't know that they were brought to market too quick, they seem to work at least as well in many applications as longtime market regulars. A lot of shit would go undone if everyone waited to be perfect.

My take on the BC stuff - If not robustly validated just be open about that fact, explain the basis for any #'s that are listed, and move on. After that if someone wants to bitch about it they can kick rocks.

As far as bringing on investors to justify spending a bunch of money to more robustly test everything.. Yeah, i'd not want to bring in more headaches and people to answer to either.

Some valid criticism I think on not clearly answering questions on a thread the manufacturer started that seems intended to bring awareness to their products but that doesn't negate the fact that they make what seems to be an appealing and competitive product in the mono space.

 

[Schmo]

If you’re a hunting bullet manufacturer, you should know the fine details. You should know how it generally works in tissue, and on game. You should also attempt to show people why your mousetrap is better. Instead, “I’m going to step out of this thread”

 

[DagOtto]

Is there a link to these 100s of photos I could check out? There’s only about 45 or so animal/wound/bullet photos in this thread.

I’d love to see more if you could link them please.

Heres some more. I have not looked closely enough to see if some of these are repeats from this thread or not.

McGuire Ballistics Feild Reports

300 WSM 178GR CRSF 3000FPS 250 yard exit

www.longrangehunting.com

 

[DagOtto]

Heres some more. I have not looked closely enough to see if some of these are repeats from this thread or not.

McGuire Ballistics Feild Reports

300 WSM 178GR CRSF 3000FPS 250 yard exit

www.longrangehunting.com

Per my post yesterday, could someone who if more knowledgable about necropsy photos look through these additional photos on LDH and tell us what you see?

To my untrained eye it looks like a whole bunch of large 3-4” dia wound channels with lots and lots of oblong shaped holes which you all have taught me indicates yawing/tumbling.

Im hopeful that this bullet might exhibit this behavior and resulting wounding in a majority of impacts at under 500 yard velocities. (Say 2000 fps and up.)

 

[Brontosaurus]

Checked out the thread. Not an expert in the least on reading wound channels. But lots of what appears to be yawning and tumbling. Form should have a look at it

Per my post yesterday, could someone who if more knowledgable about necropsy photos look through these additional photos on LDH and tell us what you see?

To my untrained eye it looks like a whole bunch of large 3-4” dia wound channels with lots and lots of oblong shaped holes which you all have taught me indicates yawing/tumbling.

Im hopeful that this bullet might exhibit this behavior and resulting wounding in a majority of impacts at under 500 yard velocities. (Say 2000 fps and up.)

 

[Schmo]

To my untrained eye it looks like a whole bunch of large 3-4” dia wound channels with lots and lots of oblong shaped holes which you all have taught me indicates yawing/tumbling.

If this is true, then it’s a huge reason why Sam was getting pounded on here. He stated twice, very specifically, that his bullets do not tumble or yaw. If they do tumble, then it’s clear he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

 

[HuntHarder]

If this is true, then it’s a huge reason why Sam was getting pounded on here. He stated twice, very specifically, that his bullets do not tumble or yaw. If they do tumble, then it’s clear he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

I am the owner of McGuire Ballistics. Our bullets do stay face forward and expand. After initial expansion they can destabilize and tumble but that is a byproduct.

Looks like he says they can destabilize and tumble after expansion.

 

[atmat]

Looks like he says they can destabilize and tumble after expansion.

Correct: in one place he said they can — implying it’s not the primary method (despite the pictures clearly showing yawing).

And then in other places he said this:

At above 2300fps, you will see front of bullet almost always blown off. Below that velocity you can see front staying attached.

The bullets stay face forwardand expand.

Are you beginning to understand the skepticism of people here?

 

[Schmo]

@atmat,
You’re correct! And he says “stay face forward “

 

[atmat]

-Rokslide; if you don't properly doppler radar and gel test all of your product to fbi standards in significant sample size we will not buy your products.

Also, not directed entirely at @eoperator but more so at everyone saying we shouldn’t expect a small business to be able to provide ballistics data:

The word ‘ballistic’ is literally in the company title. If you’re a ballistics company who can’t provide ballistics data, that’s silly.

 

[HuntHarder]

Correct: in one place he said they can — implying it’s not the primary method (despite the pictures clearly showing yawing).

And then in other places he said this:





Are you beginning to understand the skepticism of people here?

For sure can see why guys might be skeptical. I can read his statements both ways. On Forms elk, the bullet poked a needle hole thru the entrance and then appeared to tumble or "yaw" and cause some serious damage. So, it appears to strike the animal point forward, then tumble or yaw potentially. Do you think this bullet is yawing in flight? or is it like Sam said and can happen after expansion? Is yawing after making contact a bad thing? Or tumbling for that matter? No doubt he contradicted him self by saying the bullet "Stays face forward" on one of his posts.

Like I previously stated, the man doesn't completely know his product, but I do not think he is being malicious or disingenuous.

 

[atmat]

For sure can see why guys might be skeptical. I can read his statements both ways. On Forms elk, the bullet poked a needle hole thru the entrance and then appeared to tumble or "yaw" and cause some serious damage. So, it appears to strike the animal point forward, then tumble or yaw potentially. Do you think this bullet is yawing in flight? or is it like Sam said and can happen after expansion? Is yawing after making contact a bad thing? Or tumbling for that matter? No doubt he contradicted him self by saying the bullet "Stays face forward" on one of his posts.

Like I previously stated, the man doesn't completely know his product, but I do not think he is being malicious or disingenuous.

It’s tumbling after penetrating the animal, which is a great thing and the best way to increase wound channel in monos. That’s awesome.

The weirdness was when Sam seemed to indicate that the damage wasn’t from yawing, or that they don’t frequently yaw, etc. I don’t think any of its malicious — it just seems like he doesn’t know how own product.

A good monumental that consistently yaws would be the answer for a lot of us. It’s what people are asking for.

 

[fwafwow]

Maybe this is only ironic to me....

The OP here, who is selling a product, doesn’t answer all of the questions or provide data (or at least as responsively/sufficiently as is possible). But he’s got defenders (which is of course fine). Meanwhile, in the S2H Podcast thread, Form is getting questioned for imagined or hypothetical conflicts of interest (as if he's secretly selling a product), and because his data hasn't been tabulated in a spreadsheet (that is my characterization - not word for word).