Mark Twain turkey hunters

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Where are all the Mark Twain NF turkey hunters at? I spent a couple days down there and it has me stumped. I have traveled all over the US turkey hunting and not sure if the birds there always act like they did or if it was just a timing thing.
 
Where in the MTNF did you go?

It has been an odd year from what I've experienced and from other's I've talked to.

Quiet birds for the most part. I took my son out during the youth weekend and heard a lot more than the past week.
 
Birds always seem difficult to call the first week or even two of our season. Lots of birds may gobble a few times on the limb, hit the ground with a bunch of hens, then shutup for most of the morning. That said, by the time May rolls around I usually have better luck finding a willing participant that talks a bit more. That all being said, other than a couple good gobbling days, I have noticed alot of quiet mornings this season. Lots of friends have noticed the same.
 
Spent the first two weeks of the Mo season in SE Missouri. Been hunting there for 33 years, worst year I have ever seen for gobbling and workable birds. 4 of us hunted 11 days and only killed 2 mature birds. I believe the warm weather weeks ago had something to do w it. I have never seen it that green either. Also know of 6 snakes, 4 of the copperhead kind and 2 of timber rattler kind that will not bother anyone again.
 
Where are all the Mark Twain NF turkey hunters at? I spent a couple days down there and it has me stumped. I have traveled all over the US turkey hunting and not sure if the birds there always act like they did or if it was just a timing thing.
Probably because everybody is traveling all over the US too. Those turkeys been catching hell from people coast to coast all season.
 
If it’s like every other NF in the Midwest it’s getting pounded by southerners trying to extend their season. This year in IN was absolutely ridiculous and the attitudes of some of these guys is enough to make me wanna push harder for non resident delays… end rant but yeah turkeys are just turkeys. That’s why we hunt them. Never know when some random day will be the one he comes hammering in. I’ve called in 2 silent birds this spring. Like nothing, no drumming no gobbling, just full surprise the shit out of me quiet.
 
If it’s like every other NF in the Midwest it’s getting pounded by southerners trying to extend their season. This year in IN was absolutely ridiculous and the attitudes of some of these guys is enough to make me wanna push harder for non resident delays… end rant but yeah turkeys are just turkeys. That’s why we hunt them. Never know when some random day will be the one he comes hammering in. I’ve called in 2 silent birds this spring. Like nothing, no drumming no gobbling, just full surprise the shit out of me quiet.

Yea, it’s only the southerners extending their seasons

There’s def no northerners traveling south for early openers.


The non resident hate is going to turn everyone into one state hunters! It’s effing ridiculous how much everyone is at each others throats hating each other based of what their license plate says. It is going to be what divides us and makes us ALL lose out in the end.


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Yea, it’s only the southerners extending their seasons

There’s def no northerners traveling south for early openers.


The non resident hate is going to turn everyone into one state hunters! It’s effing ridiculous how much everyone is at each others throats hating each other based of what their license plate says. It is going to be what divides us and makes us ALL lose out in the end.


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I’m speaking from personal anecdote — I can only know what I observe where I hunt. But your counter is that I should account for what’s happening everywhere I’m not?

What I can tell you is this: I hunted 3 days at opener, saw one other resident truck, and over a dozen with southern plates. The CO who checked me said I was the first resident he’d checked all day — across 4 counties. That’s not anecdote, that’s a pattern.

I live in a state with zero NR restrictions, and I hunt out of state regularly. I’m not anti-nonresident. I draw tags for elk, deer, and antelope like everyone else. I gotta draw tags to hunt my own frickin ground in IL for gods sake. But turkeys are somehow a free-for-all in IN? That inconsistency is hard to defend.

Nobody is talking about banning nonresidents. A resident priority window or NR delay isn’t hate — it’s the same framework applied to every other species. If nonresidents are fine drawing tags and waiting their turn for deer and elk, turkeys shouldn’t be any different.

The division isn’t coming from residents who want some pressure relief on the only public land they have . It’s coming from attitudes that treat those concerns as illegitimate. It’s a problem everywhere. You think we’re just gonna all sit around and shake hands and say nah bro, I want non residents to have the same rights as me here as a tax paying citizen? No.
 
. This year in IN was absolutely ridiculous and the attitudes of some of these guys is enough to make me wanna push harder for non resident delays…
yup, the attitudes with lack of respect and etiquette are now at levels I never imagined possible. turkey hunters are doing it to themselves. ruining their own opportunities through their actions and behavior.

I miss the days when turkey hunting wasnt cool.
 
yup, the attitudes with lack of respect and etiquette are now at levels I never imagined possible. turkey hunters are doing it to themselves. ruining their own opportunities through their actions and behavior.

I miss the days when turkey hunting wasnt cool.

Ditto. We had a run in with a guy from Mississippi who basically acted like he had first right to the 7700 acres behind a gate because “he scouted it” - when we asked where he was planning to go, he replied “wherever the turkeys are gobbling” and to which my friend replied “well I was planning to go here” to which he replied “well sounds like we’ll be in each others lap”. Basically we could have told him anywhere and he’d say that’s where he was.

He never greeted any of us with kindness, just smug, off handed comments and a bad attitude. He bragged about tagging our here and there and told us he was only there for 2 days as if that was our problem. He also played the “oh I saw a gobbler here” which was private - we’ve hunted the area for 10+ years, we know the area and how full of he was.

I’ve met great people from all ends of the country turkey hunting and this was my first real bad taste in my mouth experience.

These guys bouncing from state to state to just check a box for a stupid slam are the biggest culprit.

Sorry OP I didn’t mean to derail your thread.
 
I’m speaking from personal anecdote — I can only know what I observe where I hunt. But your counter is that I should account for what’s happening everywhere I’m not?

What I can tell you is this: I hunted 3 days at opener, saw one other resident truck, and over a dozen with southern plates. The CO who checked me said I was the first resident he’d checked all day — across 4 counties. That’s not anecdote, that’s a pattern.

I live in a state with zero NR restrictions, and I hunt out of state regularly. I’m not anti-nonresident. I draw tags for elk, deer, and antelope like everyone else. I gotta draw tags to hunt my own frickin ground in IL for gods sake. But turkeys are somehow a free-for-all in IN? That inconsistency is hard to defend.

Nobody is talking about banning nonresidents. A resident priority window or NR delay isn’t hate — it’s the same framework applied to every other species. If nonresidents are fine drawing tags and waiting their turn for deer and elk, turkeys shouldn’t be any different.

The division isn’t coming from residents who want some pressure relief on the only public land they have . It’s coming from attitudes that treat those concerns as illegitimate. It’s a problem everywhere. You think we’re just gonna all sit around and shake hands and say nah bro, I want non residents to have the same rights as me here as a tax paying citizen? No.

Now compare how many elk there are to turkeys. Totally different t

And no, I know “we ain’t going to sit around and do nothing”

But you are only a resident in one state, and you yourself like to travel obviously. Drawing tags in IL is also just about a guarantee, so it’s no huge restriction.

I feel for the next generation and my kids to grow up in a “your state limited me so I must limit you too environment” that will go tit for tat until bans are the norm. It’s human nature to want to push back where pushed to feel like you’re getting even.

There’s tons of antis after us, we don’t need to do it to ourselves while at the same time watching habitat disappear.

I try to think farther than “my experience and what is good for me”

It’s comical that I travel around hunting just as much as the next guy and never have all these problems. You find what you look for, in all aspects of life, and even if I run into a problem I move on vs cry about it.

To think about all the complaining and desire for restrictions going on surrounding a TURKEY, yet realizing Montana still has basically OTC opportunities for SHEEP is comical.

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Now compare how many elk there are to turkeys. Totally different t

And no, I know “we ain’t going to sit around and do nothing”

But you are only a resident in one state, and you yourself like to travel obviously. Drawing tags in IL is also just about a guarantee, so it’s no huge restriction.

I feel for the next generation and my kids to grow up in a “your state limited me so I must limit you too environment” that will go tit for tat until bans are the norm. It’s human nature to want to push back where pushed to feel like you’re getting even.

There’s tons of antis after us, we don’t need to do it to ourselves while at the same time watching habitat disappear.

I try to think farther than “my experience and what is good for me”

It’s comical that I travel around hunting just as much as the next guy and never have all these problems. You find what you look for, in all aspects of life, and even if I run into a problem I move on vs cry about it.

To think about all the complaining and desire for restrictions going on surrounding a TURKEY, yet realizing Montana still has basically OTC opportunities for SHEEP is comical.

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My experience is that other states restrict non residents and I’m fine with that. Mine does not and it irks me. So you’re basically making my point for me…

I’m completely fine with waiting 10 years to draw a tag in AZ. I’m fine with applying for a few years for a tag on a particular national rec area in KY. High demand, limited resource.Turkey numbers aren’t even remotely close to what they were a decade ago and we have to stop treating these birds like we’re in the hey day. We already have a single bird limit. The only thing left to do is restrict non residents.

I hunted OTC in CO as a non resident for a decade and I even said they had to stop the OTC non sense. Believe it or not it’s possible to be a non resident and see that your rights are a bit too liberal.

Also otc sheep tags in Montana?! Dude that’s as red herring as it gets in this discussion.

Honestly the whole argument of “we need to stick together” is tired and old…. And not even remotely relevant to the point I’m making.
 
My experience is that other states restrict non residents and I’m fine with that. Mine does not and it irks me. So you’re basically making my point for me…

I’m completely fine with waiting 10 years to draw a tag in AZ. High demand, limited resource. I’m fine with applying for a few years for a tag on a particular national rec area in KY. Turkey numbers aren’t even remotely close to what they were a decade ago and we have to stop treating these birds like we’re in the hey day. We already have a single bird limit. The only thing left to do is restrict non residents.

I hunted OTC in CO as a non resident for a decade and I even said they had to stop the OTC non sense. Believe it or not it’s possible to be a non resident and see that your rights are a bit too liberal.

Honestly the whole argument of “we need to stick together” is tired and old…. And not even remotely relevant to the point I’m making.

No your making my point

You have to wait to hunt other places so you must now do the same to others.

You all in the end will get what y’all want then not like it.

It’s 10yrs right now in Az, if unchanged your kids won’t get to at all. The trend will one day have everyone only able to enjoy what their own state may have to offer.

The world is much bigger and I’d like to think we all can experience it. But I’m not a hater of those who live what I love.

Stick together is tottering to hear because in today’s world it’s me me me me me. You all are the pot calling the kettle black and don’t even realize it.


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No your making my point

You have to wait to hunt other places so you must now do the same to others.

You all in the end will get what y’all want then not like it.

It’s 10yrs right now in Az, if unchanged your kids won’t get to at all. The trend will one day have everyone only able to enjoy what their own state may have to offer.

The world is much bigger and I’d like to think we all can experience it. But I’m not a hater of those who live what I love.


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So you think we’re gonna just leave bag limits and not address over crowding and over harvest and that’s a solution for your kids future? I’m failing to see what your point even is that I’m supposedly making other than you just want to have the same rights as a resident as a non resident which is fairy tale land.
 
So you think we’re gonna just leave bag limits and not address over crowding and over harvest and that’s a solution for your kids future? I’m failing to see what your point even is that I’m supposedly making other than you just want to have the same rights as a resident as a non resident which is fairy tale land.

Your turkeys aren’t going anywhere, they were once damn near extinct, know what brought them back? People sticking together.

Populations swing, is it possible to over-harvest, sure it is. Is that some huge problem going around right now, likely not or at LEAST not as bad as it’s embellished.

No, I don’t want “rights” I’d just like to see a lot less dramatic crying.

Most of the public lands are federal. Howd that ever happen? Again, people sticking together.

I swear some of yall would love to see everything sold off and bulldozed over just to spite those “new guys”. See the forest through the trees is all.

It’s easy to say we have to limit non residents, and that may not be wrong. However realize once the bullshit is sold it will almost certainly turn into a resident restriction also. It’s hard to see until it’s too late.


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Your turkeys aren’t going anywhere, they were once damn near extinct, know what brought them back? People sticking together.

No, I don’t want “rights” I’d just like to see a lot less dramatic crying.

Most of the public lands are federal. Howd that ever happen? Again, people sticking together.

I swear some of yall would love to see everything sold off and bulldozed over just to spite those “new guys”


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How did you get from non resident restrictions to selling off public lands!? You’re blowing smoke at this point my friend.
 
How did you get from non resident restrictions to selling off public lands!? You’re blowing smoke at this point my friend.

It’s no smoke

It’s a simple analogy explaining just how bad some people spite others.

Now back to “your” turkeys are going extinct in Indiana because of NR. It must be very hard to live there and struggle to fill a tag because everyone else got em all


Think I haven’t run into assholes at gates before? We all have, yes it sucks etc etc, but I save my hunt however I have to and just shrug it off. I’m far too old to let that stupid shit live rent free in my head.

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