Mandatory Prison Sentence

Wrench said:
I think the demise of America came some time in the 2k era. I as a early 90's graduate grew up with fights at school every week, fights at parties nearly every weekend. We played with jarts and guns.

My generation knew running your mouth meant running your hands or stitches and sometimes both. We knew not to stand under a lawn dart or it'll hurt, we never considered making the game use washers or god forbid bean bags.

We suffered from testosterone overload and tried to fix it by driving too fast, beating the snot out of something or humping the neighbors sister, daughter or even her mom if luck was with us. We had male teachers who pinned us like a pretzel in PE because we were disrespectful and my English teacher touched my heart. With his fingernail. Through my sternum....because I was disrespectful.

Getting sued only happened in California on TV and we weren't having that.

It's hard to keep my kids deprogrammed from what society norms are today. We've had the cops show up because the kids stood up for themselves. I stood at the school for my kid when he was disciplined for telling a freak who wanted him to use was /were as it's pronouns and my kid told it those aren't even pronouns and perhaps it should figure out English before messing with biology (I'm still proud of him for that piece of work).

All of this happened in a school district with 600 kids in a 40x60 mile area....I can't imagine what it is like in urban areas.

My advice is to teach your kids to go hard at everything. Fight hard for yourself if that means in sports practice, English class or the parking lot. Love hard. Show them you love them. Tell them you love them. Make them know that when you are neutral emotionally it's not a good thing, it means they are slipping from their baseline. Make sure they understand that the opportunity to run your mouth may be a protected right, but with that comes risk, but that right alone with the rest of the constitution is their's and they better be willing to protect it. All of it.

And for the record, bullies were the kid who could buy beer in 7th grade but we all caught up to by our sophomore year and recognized the pecking order with.... not some username in the comments section hunting for likes by calling you something snarky......and try a game of mumbly peg instead of cornhole. If you are afraid of knives maybe Indian leg wrestling, yeah we still call it that you pussy.
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Parents defending their kids poor behavior seems to be a problem. You're guilty of that. Had "was/were kid" smacked your kid for being a dick you'd be rambling about how "those people" are violent.
 
Wrench said:
I think the demise of America came some time in the 2k era. I as a early 90's graduate grew up with fights at school every week, fights at parties nearly every weekend. We played with jarts and guns.
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I think it started about 1946. Rot takes a long time to fell a solid tree. The slow cultural shift certainly started before its first expression in the 1960s. The shift from putting things before ones self to everyone putting themselves first.

Violence and fighting and the high violent crime rates that peaked in 1991 certainly was not the high point of a culture and not what we should strive for.

The idiocy of self esteem parenting started with Dr. Spock's Baby and Child Care book published in 1946. It started the slow decline in discipline (note I did not say punishment). The idea that punishment equals discipline is another poisonous rot.
 
grfox92 said:
What?

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Wrench supported his kid harassing a kid with a mental disorder. Instead of holding his kid accountable. Two wrongs don't make a right. I don't completely agree with the way the trans issue is being handled but that doesn't mean I or really anyone should support harassing them. I don't think this thread or the military service thread it was a reaction to would exist if parents would quit defending their kids poor actions.
I agree with Marbles it definitely started before the 90s, fighting to "sort things out" was just a step along the way to where we are now. As someone who caught the end of the let them fight era I can't say that going through that helps me today as an adult. Beating up coworkers or patients when there's disagreements wouldn't work out well.
 
average said:
Wrench supported his kid harassing a kid with a mental disorder. Instead of holding his kid accountable. Two wrongs don't make a right. I don't completely agree with the way the trans issue is being handled but that doesn't mean I or really anyone should support harassing them. I don't think this thread or the military service thread it was a reaction to would exist if parents would quit defending their kids poor actions.
I agree with Marbles it definitely started before the 90s, fighting to "sort things out" was just a step along the way to where we are now. As someone who caught the end of the let them fight era I can't say that going through that helps me today as an adult. Beating up coworkers or patients when there's disagreements wouldn't work out well.
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The missing information is that they sued a large school district in spokane and came to our tiny district and thought the world should revolve around them. I am fine with my perspective.....and I support my kids doing the right thing... and if it's not ok to tell someone that they are calling a verb a pronoun, then I suppose that's exactly what this thread is about.

But then again some kids think they're cats and nobody had the brains to tell them they are not cats and instead let it escalate into a crisis later in life.
 
average said:
Parents defending their kids poor behavior seems to be a problem. You're guilty of that. Had "was/were kid" smacked your kid for being a dick you'd be rambling about how "those people" are violent.
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If telling someone that a verb isn't a pronoun is grounds to fight.....then let it ride. This mess isn't fixing itself by supporting changing entire society because of the few.
 
CorbLand said:
You want the world to be a better place? Mandate 2 years of working in a customer service based job dealing with the general public. Then more people might understand how unreasonable and stupid people are and why we end up doing things the way we do because of them.
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My daughter worked years at Michaels craft store dealing with old ladies that had expired coupons, occasional strippers with 2 handfuls of dollar bills, then she went to the north end liquor store for a cpl years. Luckily she inherited my "don't give a crap about your feelings" attitude. Lots and lots of good stories.


Wrench said:
If you gotta ask....
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Mumbly Peg and Indian Leg wrestling, brings back memories, thanks. (y)

Since kids and school were brought up, the biggest issue I saw first hand was parents didn't do jack shit when their kids had issues at school; they sat on their thumbs instead of going down there and getting things done face to face.
 
wapitibob said:
My daughter worked years at Michaels craft store dealing with old ladies that had expired coupons, occasional strippers with 2 handfuls of dollar bills, then she went to the north end liquor store for a cpl years. Luckily she inherited my "don't give a crap about your feelings" attitude. Lots and lots of good stories.




Mumbly Peg and Indian Leg wrestling, brings back memories, thanks. (y)

Since kids and school were brought up, the biggest issue I saw first hand was parents didn't do jack shit when their kids had issues at school; they sat on their thumbs instead of going down there and getting things done face to face.
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I worked retail for 9 years and 4-5 of those were selling guns. Nothing challenged my belief that everyone should be able to own a gun more than actually selling them.
 
average said:
Wrench supported his kid harassing a kid with a mental disorder. Instead of holding his kid accountable. Two wrongs don't make a right. I don't completely agree with the way the trans issue is being handled but that doesn't mean I or really anyone should support harassing them. I don't think this thread or the military service thread it was a reaction to would exist if parents would quit defending their kids poor actions.
I agree with Marbles it definitely started before the 90s, fighting to "sort things out" was just a step along the way to where we are now. As someone who caught the end of the let them fight era I can't say that going through that helps me today as an adult. Beating up coworkers or patients when there's disagreements wouldn't work out well.
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Refusing to call someone by their requested pronouns is not harassment. Its the correct and logical approach to dealing with nonsense. Where in anything Wrench posted indicated harrasment? I'd argue that a Trans person demanding for someone to call them something that they arent is harrasment.

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grfox92 said:
Refusing to call someone by their requested pronouns is not harassment. Its the correct and logical approach to dealing with nonsense. Where in anything Wrench posted indicated harrasment? I'd argue that a Trans person demanding for someone to call them something that they arent is harrasment.

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Was and were are not pronouns.....that was the whole issue.
 
You first Meat Missile. I am guessing you are a long way from 18?

Jokes aside I get where youre coming from as most of us watch craziness unfold day and daily. Radical times are already here.
 
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