LS Wild Armory 6 PRC barrel/rifle project

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Now that the first barrel preorder has arrived and our FFL is arriving soon, I am thinking about the next big project. (I am the idea guy and my partner is the production guy, so don’t worry about getting barrels that are already here.)

I have been talking with @NSI about the perfect 6 PRC in a short action. I started running the 7SS as my hunting rifle, then stepped down to the 25SST, and now the 6 PRC is the next evolution for me in smaller effective short mag caliber. I still love my 7 and 25 though.

For the 6 PRC, we have come up with the proven reamer specs that make it problem free. @huntnful has helped confirm the specs after he’s run half a dozen barrels and tested loads. He has contributed to the 6 PRC threads and shown it is viable and easy with no specialized dies or brass.

It will have .180 freebore, which is proven for your choice of the 108-112 class of killer bullets from multiple manufacturers. That throat is the Goldilocks zone, optimized for velocity over the BC of the 115. We’ve run the numbers and it makes sense. Velocity trumps BC inside 600–the highly effective killing zone. And, doesn’t really start to fall behind until later. It’s also a little easier on barrels.

The neck will be sized for Lapua brass, which has the thickest necks. Other brass will work just fine, because the specs are tighter than many SAAMI specs. It helps with precision to have the neck as small as possible for the neck to properly release the bullet and held it concentric to the bore.

Commonly available dies are Redding Type S or the SAC 6.5 PRC sizing/bushing dies. Sizing the necks can be done in one pass on 6.5 PRC brass with .271 bushings with Lapua brass. The 6.5 seater die works without modification, but you can swap seater stems if you like.

@huntnful reported over 3200 with the 108s in a 24” barrel. That gives appreciable gains over a 6 Creedmoor. You can either get more speed with the same length barrel or the same speed with a shorter barrel.

With this 6 PRC built in the Goldilocks zone, you have more bullet choice/availability, with a tiny bit better barrel life over the 6 UM. Performance is indistinguishable in 99% of hunting situations than if you went as hot as possible. As above, we want to make this the easy button, so you can also use common off the shelf 6.5 PRC tooling and components. Just neck down 6.5 PRC brass.

Eventually, the plan is to first add ammo, and second add headstamped brass. I think we are calling it the 6 PRC-NSI, but we’ll sort that out to build barrels that will eventually match the headstamped brass.

I have a single 19” 6 PRC barrel on order. I already have the Tikka action, with dies, multiple brands of brass, bullets and powders cause I can’t wait...

I will soon be doing a 6 PRC barrel group buy, including a Tikka barreled action option-which means you get a new Tikka in 6 PRC ready to go.

I am working on setting up a link for a waitlist/notification page to manage interest and provide notifications. Until then, you can PM me here, but put 6 PRC waitlist in the subject.

Thoughts?
 
Already sent PM regarding the BA yesterday, want another one for this pitch?
We are good 👍

These projects have been swimming around in my skull for a couple years, we are finally to the point to execute. The key for us not to bite off more than we can chew.

That’s why I am floating them, to see if I am all wet or if it makes sense to proceed. I have everything planned out, so I can execute. And, we can build out as demand allows.
 
It will have .180 freebore, which is proven for your choice of the 108-112 class of killer bullets from multiple manufacturers. That throat is the Goldilocks zone, optimized for velocity over the BC of the 115. We’ve run the numbers and it makes sense. Velocity trumps BC inside 600–the highly effective killing zone. And, doesn’t really start to fall behind until later. It’s also a little easier on barrels.

To make sure it's clear what you're saying - are you saying 0.180" freebore isn't optimized for DTACs but rather 108 ELDm to 112 MB, which can be pushed faster than DTACs? If the freebore was optimized for DTACs, it would just mean a longer jump or less bullet in the neck of the case with others but longer freebore still means more velocity at equal pressures. So if velocity is king more freebore is beneficial?

Just rambling - 0.180 is still quite a bit of freebore for a 6mm and i certainly wouldn't feel constrained by it.
 
To make sure it's clear what you're saying - are you saying 0.180" freebore isn't optimized for DTACs but rather 108 ELDm to 112 MB, which can be pushed faster than DTACs? If the freebore was optimized for DTACs, it would just mean a longer jump or less bullet in the neck of the case with others but longer freebore still means more velocity at equal pressures. So if velocity is king more freebore is beneficial?

Just rambling - 0.180 is still quite a bit of freebore for a 6mm and i certainly wouldn't feel constrained by it.
To be able to utilize short action mags while still being close to the lands with the 109 ELDM. The .200 reamer I have puts the lands at 3.000” pretty much.

So with a .180 reamer you can seat max length 2.950-2.960 in a SA mag and be .020-.030 off the lands.


I’m not sure about more freebore equaling more speed though. I had a .120 freebore 6 PRC and it shot the same exact speed at my .200 freebore 6 PRC. The .200 freebore just took 2gr. more powder to get to the same level of pressure/speed.

So it does seem to change the pressure curve, but in that case, it didn’t change the final speed. Small sample of course.
 
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To be able to utilize short action mags while still being close to the lands with the 109 ELDM. The .200 reamer I have puts the lands at 3.000” pretty much.

So with a .180 reamer you can seat max length 2.950-2.960 in a SA mag and be .020-.030 off the lands.


I’m not sure about more freebore equaling more speed though. I had a .120 freebore 6 PRC and it shot the same exact speed at my .200 freebore 6 PRC. The .200 freebore just took 2gr. more powder to get to the same level of pressure/speed.

So it does seem to change the pressure curve, but in that case, it didn’t change the final speed. Small sample of course.

Makes sense.

Not saying it adds up to mean much of anything functionally but more volume behind the bullet when it meets resistance from the lands = more velocity potential at a given pressure.
 
To make sure it's clear what you're saying - are you saying 0.180" freebore isn't optimized for DTACs but rather 108 ELDm to 112 MB, which can be pushed faster than DTACs? If the freebore was optimized for DTACs, it would just mean a longer jump or less bullet in the neck of the case with others but longer freebore still means more velocity at equal pressures. So if velocity is king more freebore is beneficial?

Just rambling - 0.180 is still quite a bit of freebore for a 6mm and i certainly wouldn't feel constrained by it.
Huntnful is my authority on this 👍
 
Huntnful is my authority on this 👍
Haha oh no 😅. I just give my suggestions and experiences and then step away 🤣. But it’s a cool cartridge and I like it. If I personally ordered another reamer, it’d be .180 freebore after my experience with the .200 freebore. I’d rather pursue the 109 ELDM’s and 108 Elite hunters for most of my hunting and after seeing how well they shoot. .200 freebore is a little long for both of those.

When I did the .200 freebore, it was for the 108 ELDM to be at 2.950” COAL when it was .020 off the lands. Then I started messing with the 109 ELDM and 108 Berger and wished it was a .180 freebore. All in all, very minute difference that would basically never result in not killing something. Just OCD preferences is all.

@huntnful doesn't play just the tip. He knocks the bottom out of it to see if anything is there or not.
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Running the 108-112 in a short action is the sweet spot, and the .180 freebore makes that possible.

And 0.02 isn’t going to make a big difference either way.
 
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What vendor for barrels are you thinking? I'm still only half sold on PBB.

Cool cartridge for sure, and on my short list. I love the 284 case and have a standard bolt currently, so I was leaning 6-284, but brass availability is really becoming a problem.
 
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