Love Thy Neighbor

[OKHunter84]

I'm not talking about relativism. If God told YOU that wearing shoes was sin, that command and revelation would be for you.

I'm not taking about blatant sin being relative. But let's take this home a bit. Let's pretend you struggle with making an idol out of hunting. It would be sin for you to continue to hunt. Correct? Would it be sin for me hunt?

Making an idol of anything and putting that before God is sin. In your example, hunting isn't the sin, it's the act of putting it before God. That would be sin for anyone.

Paul talks about things relative to this in Romans chapter 14.

 

[416bull]

Mark 12:31 kjv, need more of it in this dark world.

 

[Savage99]

Mark 12:31 kjv, need more of it in this dark world.

Appropriate!


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[Marbles]

Mark 12:31 kjv, need more of it in this dark world.

Luke 10:29-37 provides helpful clarification.

 

[Fujicon]

Is there a certain irony that this thread about loving your neighbor began with a quote from a Mormon leader, and then find out today that Kirk's killer was raised Mormon?
The answer is no.
How an individual behaves is up to that one person's choosing and is not a reflection on the church he was raised in any more than his skin color, hair color, race, ethnicity, etc. are relevant. Which means how we love (or not) our neighbors is also centered on how we individually choose to behave, again regardless of race, religion, etc. Sure, as an external influence religious values often translate into behavior, but external influences are never an absolute determinant. Choices are ever individual for each of us.

 

[Yoder]

The kid was enrolled at Dixie Technical College - a trade school, to become an electrician.

While its still way too early to draw an conclusions and still way more questions than answers, if you are immediately going to blame indoctrination, then the picture that is emerging would point to a source of indoctrination that you most certainly aren't going to like having to reckon with.

I'm sure he didn't learn about antifa and the trans movement in church or the RNC convention.

 

[go_deep]

Mental health is the biggest overlooked problem.

I pray that each family involved can find a way forward.

 

[zzl630]

Great message. Thanks for sharing.

 

[alaska_bou]

It's absurd to suggest that society can function absent a moral foundation based in a righteous religion in the face of a century of data that directly contradicts this assertion. A couple generations into a secular society we no longer know what a man and woman is, we're castrating our children, our children are being murdered within their schools, babies are murdered in the womb by the million per year. Secularism has been a catastrophic disaster. You cannot point to any secular society that has been successful long term. At best they've been overtaken by a strong religious society and at worst it has been a murderous disaster.


I've not said that, but it is true. Fortunately, as a Christian I have the truth on my side and violence is not necessary to assure victory. All I need is an open market place of ideas where my ideas can exist safely. When that no longer exists, when my family is not safe because our religion our hand is forced. Let me be very clear that I don't want violence, I don't seek it, but I will not allow my family to go quietly into the night.

Name just one successful and secular society? Most of the Scandinavian countries, most of western Europe, nearly the entirety of Japan, most of Australia and New Zealand, etc. Not only that, but these countries rank higher in almost every societal metric. I am guessing you haven't travelled to these places... I have. The people are largely happy, healthy, they take care of one another with far less crime than we have here in the USA. There are churches here, but very few. The people in these countries tend to have higher levels of education, which is a threat to organized religion as it makes it very difficult to control an educated, independent person. It is also hard to push antiquated, bronze-age techings that the earth is flat and only 6,000 years old, that man walked with dinosaurs, that God condones the ownership of slaves, that women are second-class citizens who can be beat, etc, to a population of educated people who can think critically.

The fact is, those who have been indoctrinated and radicalized by religion are not accepting of an "open market" of ideas as you proclaim. The fact you mention that you are white and want to "defend" that is telling by itself of what your true motives really area. I think it is incredibly sad how the teachings of Jesus have been distorted to weaponize a white nationalistic ideology while dehumanizing anyone who doesn't think the same, believe the same, walk and talk the same. By dehumanizing them, it is easier to strip them of their freedoms, constitutional protections, their families, their liberty and even their lives. All of this is anti-Christian.

There was a growing number of MAGA who hated Charlie Kirk, like the fringe lunatic Larua Loomer, and the shooter was clearly one of the same. I think certain people I won't mention really wanted the shooter to be someone the "righteous right" could collectively hate and rally against. Someone with silly pronouns with blue hair, a pentagram tattoo and a nose ring. Someone they could dehumanize to fit the "they did this" narrative to make it easier to divide the country in a manufactured "us vs them" war that the left and the right media is propagating.

 

[Yoder]

The kid was enrolled at Dixie Technical College - a trade school, to become an electrician.

While its still way too early to draw an conclusions and still way more questions than answers, if you are immediately going to blame indoctrination, then the picture that is emerging would point to a source of indoctrination that you most certainly aren't going to like having to reckon with.

He actually got a scholarship to Utah State, not a Tech school. Look it up.

 

[MuleyFever]

Name just one successful and secular society? Most of the Scandinavian countries, most of western Europe, nearly the entirety of Japan, most of Australia and New Zealand, etc. Not only that, but these countries rank higher in almost every societal metric. I am guessing you haven't travelled to these places... I have. The people are largely happy, healthy, they take care of one another with far less crime than we have here in the USA. There are churches here, but very few. The people in these countries tend to have higher levels of education, which is a threat to organized religion as it makes it very difficult to control an educated, independent person. It is also hard to push antiquated, bronze-age techings that the earth is flat and only 6,000 years old, that man walked with dinosaurs, that God condones the ownership of slaves, that women are second-class citizens who can be beat, etc, to a population of educated people who can think critically.

Even in the US the more secular states rank higher in almost every societal metric.

 

[go_deep]

Human dignity.
You either see every single person as equal to you, or you think you're better than others.
And that's how we got racism, genocide, slavery, and religious persecution.

 

[Poser]

He actually got a scholarship to Utah State, not a Tech school. Look it up.

He attended one semester at Utah State University. 60%+ Mormon student body (not suggesting Mormon religion had anything to do with recent events, only pointing out that this is a rather “conservative” school by many standards). Then he went to a VoTech school.

Your intent here seems clear, but you might want to wait until we have more information before making assumptions and drawing conclusions.

 

[OKHunter84]

Even in the US the more secular states rank higher in almost every societal metric.

What's funny though is how many people are fleeing the secular states for more traditionally red states ever since Covid.

 

[Poser]

What's funny though is how many people are fleeing the secular states for more traditionally red states ever since Covid.

Apparently, the most recent data suggests that trend is starting to reverse. California’s population has grown in 2024 and 2025 after showing a decline in 2020-2023.

 

[OKHunter84]

Apparently, the most recent data suggests that trend is starting to reverse. California’s population has grown in 2024 and 2025 after showing a decline in 2020-2023.

10 States People are Moving / Fleeing to. — Wahid Noori Real Estate

10 States People Are Leaving According to USPS change-of-address data, these are the 10 top states people are fleeing. 1. California 2021 saw a net loss of over 101 thousand households in California despite a mostly pleasant climate and robust tech industry. Rising housing cost

www.wahidnoori.com

This is from May

 

[MuleyFever]

What's funny though is how many people are fleeing the secular states for more traditionally red states ever since Covid.

Is it due to the desire to live in a red state or just a more rural area in general? Is it the blue state they are leaving or the population density? Leaving higher cost of living areas for cheaper housing? Lots of factors to consider I guess.

 

[Predator_SD]

Choosing to not protect your own family???

Yeah no you show up meaning them harm i will stop you, period.

There isn’t a violent leftist in this country that is my neighbor.

 

[Marbles]

10 States People are Moving / Fleeing to. — Wahid Noori Real Estate

10 States People Are Leaving According to USPS change-of-address data, these are the 10 top states people are fleeing. 1. California 2021 saw a net loss of over 101 thousand households in California despite a mostly pleasant climate and robust tech industry. Rising housing cost

www.wahidnoori.com

This is from May

It was published in May, I don't see anywhere it states the time frame data covers and it frequently references 2021, but skimming doesn't appear to reference a more recent year.

 

[OKHunter84]

Is it due to the desire to live in a red state or just a more rural area in general? Is it the blue state they are leaving or the population density? Leaving higher cost of living areas for cheaper housing? Lots of factors to consider I guess.

I'm sure it depends on the person. Anecdotally, the folks I've talked to that have moved to Oklahoma from blue states it's usually a mixture of things. Fleeing higher taxes, fleeing liberal crime policies or worried about their children being taught liberal politics in school. Covid opened some people's eyes to what areas seem to have the most freedom still. Just my personal experience.

I'd be great with it if the trend reversed. I don't want the OKC area to keep growing.