Stinky Coyote
WKR
In this thread let’s look at PRS (Precision RIFLE Shooting) vs a new vision of competition that would more closely follow the limitations/rules/laws we now further understand a fifth of the way into this century, and have probably defined better here (in a roundabout way) on this next level forum about Long Range & Western Hunting than anywhere else? PRS has a NRL division trying to mimic the hunt game closer but still not close enough to make more productive for both hunters and competitors. Let’s call it LRWH for now (Long Range & Western Hunting) but I’d be open to all sorts of catchier and marketable naming conventions as that one is boring.
The goal being to maximize the performance possible on game afield outside of hunting seasons while minimizing any cross-discipline methods and gear that can benefit only the very few. And…still maintaining the carrot for the ultra-competitive who like to compete against others but equally to those who'd mostly just compete against themselves, the real-world training for Long Range Hunting for those who care more about that, so the fun and incentive is there for all.
Let us then imagine a competition format that was 50-600 yards, life size targets, with actual size kill zone flappers. You get 1 shot only per target and it’s timed. Kills only count for 1 point, then time to kill ranked in brackets counts for additional points, might have to play with that a bit but assume 3 brackets, fastest bracket gets 6 points (think mpbr speeds and not many getting 6’s consistently, elite difficulty level), next is 4 and the final is 2. Maybe speed would need 5 points categories…feel free to add inputs. There would be only 2 divisions and then 2 sub-divisions within. 1. Solo and 2. Big Spoon Little Spoon, this would best reflect both Rokslide and Solo/Pairs Backcountry Elite Western Hunters. Then the two sub-divsions within would be; 1. Pre-Rolled & Factory Rifle and 2. Roll Your Own & Custom Rifle. The rifle requirements are the same across the board. 10 lbs including anything attached to it(bipods/tripods etc.), realistically commonly packed gear into the backcountry. Packs allowed and likely to be primary rest, but no other types of abnormal rests that would be seen outside of what hunters will drag afield. 2 lb trigger pull minimum, 26” barrel length maximum. All big game targets actual size, plus one actual size coyote with 3-4” flapper (placed between 450-600) for the bonus prizes and bragging rights. 80% of pot to Solo class and 20% to Big Spoon Little Spoon class. Solo class runs first, to encourage all people to be proficient and up their game, Big Spoon Little Spoon class runs right after or next day for the pairs to have a little fun and grab more chances and bragging rights.
Edit; and only 5 shots to zero check when you get to the match (up to 250 yards given). No more than 15 shots per round. That means you could do one round including zero check on a single box of ammo. The pressure to the first cold bore shot in time being paramount. What would closer resemble actual Long Range Hunting in a competition than this example? FEEL FREE TO ADD IDEAS!
Now let’s try to imagine the development of gear/methods to become top dogs in this and the true benefits this competition would lend to actual Long Range Hunting! Feel free to process this out and start initial planning of, and start listing what cartridges, rifles, scopes, etc. would excel in this more realistic format that a broader range of hunters may be attracted to? What would you build right now to suit that competition in both pre-rolled and roll your own categories, and why? This is meant to be a hypothetical fun thread…so have fun. Poke fun at me, or play along, or both, all good by me.
I’m pretty sure we don’t have to get into the why’s of how this thread has come to be but in round about ways through discussions on this forum, almost all of us has inputs to this, the information is available if you data mine the shizzle out of it…it’s really good info! Some brilliant and unbelievably experience hunters and shooters here. Cough…kidding, that’s me poking fun at me.
We have come to bear out here that there is far more to the ‘Hunting’ component of ‘Long Range Hunting’ than just the gear and prep. We have identified that there are natural limitations/laws/rules that go beyond a lot of what is currently available in shooting gear and methods. I believe we have identified 3 basic limitations all coinciding to have the majority of hunters end up at a universal understanding or competency afield of ‘Long Range Hunting’ and in no particular order are; 1. Practical human limitations of field accuracy in relation to big game kill zone sizes(regardless how tight a rifle shoots, 1.5 moa or less rot to 600), 2. environmental limitations (mostly wind, in relation to kill zone sizes), 3. TOF limitations coinciding with dynamic living targets (which coincidentally mirror bowhunting limitations…1/2-3/4 second TOF range). These all seem to converge at the same general point and everything else done beyond this is past the point of diminishing returns that only very few can or will cross over to consistently kill big game animals beyond.
I think this idea would still give all the warm and fuzzies and incentives to a broader range of the obsessives here. It would open the door and flexibility to address some of those concerns from the other threads about shooting competitions. Ie; time/affordability/psychological/competitiveness/social/loaner bagger vance types etc. And to condense more of the right kind of practice for what we ultimately care about most.
And just because I’m me and this is the perfect time of year to reflect, poke, solve the world’s problems, and have a little fun…here’s a little quote I came up with;
‘I caught the PRS Crowd, I caught them all, let’s see what happens, nobody else could’ve done that but me.’
This verbal puke was born here at Rokslide and you all contributed so run with it or not lol, critique, add ideas, add gear talk, play along…bring it all on. Or not. It's all hypothetical at this point and at the perfect time of year to play with it.
The goal being to maximize the performance possible on game afield outside of hunting seasons while minimizing any cross-discipline methods and gear that can benefit only the very few. And…still maintaining the carrot for the ultra-competitive who like to compete against others but equally to those who'd mostly just compete against themselves, the real-world training for Long Range Hunting for those who care more about that, so the fun and incentive is there for all.
Let us then imagine a competition format that was 50-600 yards, life size targets, with actual size kill zone flappers. You get 1 shot only per target and it’s timed. Kills only count for 1 point, then time to kill ranked in brackets counts for additional points, might have to play with that a bit but assume 3 brackets, fastest bracket gets 6 points (think mpbr speeds and not many getting 6’s consistently, elite difficulty level), next is 4 and the final is 2. Maybe speed would need 5 points categories…feel free to add inputs. There would be only 2 divisions and then 2 sub-divisions within. 1. Solo and 2. Big Spoon Little Spoon, this would best reflect both Rokslide and Solo/Pairs Backcountry Elite Western Hunters. Then the two sub-divsions within would be; 1. Pre-Rolled & Factory Rifle and 2. Roll Your Own & Custom Rifle. The rifle requirements are the same across the board. 10 lbs including anything attached to it(bipods/tripods etc.), realistically commonly packed gear into the backcountry. Packs allowed and likely to be primary rest, but no other types of abnormal rests that would be seen outside of what hunters will drag afield. 2 lb trigger pull minimum, 26” barrel length maximum. All big game targets actual size, plus one actual size coyote with 3-4” flapper (placed between 450-600) for the bonus prizes and bragging rights. 80% of pot to Solo class and 20% to Big Spoon Little Spoon class. Solo class runs first, to encourage all people to be proficient and up their game, Big Spoon Little Spoon class runs right after or next day for the pairs to have a little fun and grab more chances and bragging rights.
Edit; and only 5 shots to zero check when you get to the match (up to 250 yards given). No more than 15 shots per round. That means you could do one round including zero check on a single box of ammo. The pressure to the first cold bore shot in time being paramount. What would closer resemble actual Long Range Hunting in a competition than this example? FEEL FREE TO ADD IDEAS!
Now let’s try to imagine the development of gear/methods to become top dogs in this and the true benefits this competition would lend to actual Long Range Hunting! Feel free to process this out and start initial planning of, and start listing what cartridges, rifles, scopes, etc. would excel in this more realistic format that a broader range of hunters may be attracted to? What would you build right now to suit that competition in both pre-rolled and roll your own categories, and why? This is meant to be a hypothetical fun thread…so have fun. Poke fun at me, or play along, or both, all good by me.
I’m pretty sure we don’t have to get into the why’s of how this thread has come to be but in round about ways through discussions on this forum, almost all of us has inputs to this, the information is available if you data mine the shizzle out of it…it’s really good info! Some brilliant and unbelievably experience hunters and shooters here. Cough…kidding, that’s me poking fun at me.
We have come to bear out here that there is far more to the ‘Hunting’ component of ‘Long Range Hunting’ than just the gear and prep. We have identified that there are natural limitations/laws/rules that go beyond a lot of what is currently available in shooting gear and methods. I believe we have identified 3 basic limitations all coinciding to have the majority of hunters end up at a universal understanding or competency afield of ‘Long Range Hunting’ and in no particular order are; 1. Practical human limitations of field accuracy in relation to big game kill zone sizes(regardless how tight a rifle shoots, 1.5 moa or less rot to 600), 2. environmental limitations (mostly wind, in relation to kill zone sizes), 3. TOF limitations coinciding with dynamic living targets (which coincidentally mirror bowhunting limitations…1/2-3/4 second TOF range). These all seem to converge at the same general point and everything else done beyond this is past the point of diminishing returns that only very few can or will cross over to consistently kill big game animals beyond.
I think this idea would still give all the warm and fuzzies and incentives to a broader range of the obsessives here. It would open the door and flexibility to address some of those concerns from the other threads about shooting competitions. Ie; time/affordability/psychological/competitiveness/social/loaner bagger vance types etc. And to condense more of the right kind of practice for what we ultimately care about most.
And just because I’m me and this is the perfect time of year to reflect, poke, solve the world’s problems, and have a little fun…here’s a little quote I came up with;
‘I caught the PRS Crowd, I caught them all, let’s see what happens, nobody else could’ve done that but me.’
This verbal puke was born here at Rokslide and you all contributed so run with it or not lol, critique, add ideas, add gear talk, play along…bring it all on. Or not. It's all hypothetical at this point and at the perfect time of year to play with it.
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