Locating PM turkeys in BIG woods?

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I’m looking to help a friend get his first turkey and learn something myself at the same time. I’ve been hunting turkeys for over 20 years, but consider myself a relative novice, as it’s never been something I’ve really focused on. I’d love to hear some tips and words of wisdom on roosting and locating turkeys in the afternoon and evening from those of you hunting similar areas.

I live in Northern New England. It’s not the southeast, but there’s a decent # of turkeys around me. They are mostly concentrated in the valleys around agriculture and at low elevation. However, those areas are extremely difficult to get permission on and I dont live in an area with much of that terrain, so 99% of what I have access to is big woods at slightly higher elevations. When I say big, I mean 5000+, often 10,000+ contiguous acres, sometimes much more. It’s a lot of northern hardwood forest, beach, red maple, sugar maple, interspersed with hemlock and pines, and often scattered red oak on ridges and south facing slopes at lower elevations. In most places, you cannot really listen from a road, you have to hike in. Theres roosting trees, knobs, ridges, water everywhere, so there isnt much Ive found to help you narrow down where to target, either. Hunting pressure is there, but low compared to other areas.
I’ve killed turkeys there before, but I’ve always had difficulty locating them, and really relied a lot on luck. I have never successfully located a turkey there in the evening, and that’s specifically what I’d like tips on.

I’ve seen turkeys there in the fall deer hunting many times, I hear them gobbling in the spring occasionally, and I’ve killed them there before in the spring. It’s relatively easy to find their scratching and scat in the woods, but they seem to cover a lot of ground and not really hang out in one small area for too long, so reliably finding and patterning them has completely eluded me. I hear stuff like “go out in the late afternoon and listen for them to fly up to roost”, but with such a huge area to cover the odds of you being close enough to a turkey to hear them fly up is approaching zero. It seems like they don’t often gobble on their own in the afternoon much, and I have not had any success using locator calls to get a gobble at any time of day…entirely possible thats me, or I may just be in the wrong place. Our legal shooting hours end at noon if that matters.

So, those of you who have hunted bigger woods areas with sparse turkey populations, what are your tips and tricks for locating birds in the afternoon or evening? Are you walking and calling? If so, what is your technique, are you owl hooting, using a crow call, a coyote howl, or are you doing turkey yelps? Or something else? How much ground are you trying to cover? Thoughts on time of day, etc?

Love to hear what works for you, as detailed as you are willing, Im interested in hearing it. Thanks in advance.

Photo from a couple weeks ago is one example—everything to the sunset/skyline and beyond is one contiguous huntable area with no roads.
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I would get up on a ridge top up from some likely roosting areas with some sign (scratching and scat that u have found) and make some loud yelps in a kind of "lost hen" mode and hope something will answer to give u an idea that toms are around. Concentrate on the sign if they don't seem to be gobbling.
Not particularly answering your question about evening locating but if u can find sign be patient and setup and call and wait. Eventually something may come investigate. Long pauses without calling is important to draw them in - if u call continually they know u are there... if you go quiet they will eventually check u out. Good luck
 
I’m novice as well but mainly hunt this type of terrain often.
Given the abundance of water, the birds can really hang out anywhere there is food and they feel safe, thus the difficulty with patterning. This said, the birds seem to pick the same general haunts each year (at least where I hunt), so definitely lean on historical data when you can.
When it comes to locating with shock calls, it may not be you, three pretty significant factors:
1) barometric pressure
2) predators
3) shacked up
The pressure thing is something I recently learned, I believe below 29.95, studies have shown they sorta shutoff. Have tested this and it’s pretty darn accurate where I live accurate. High wind will do it too.
This said birds are individual, and have had them gobble a little below this threshold.
Now, if coyotes are present in force, the above figure seems almost absolute, damn things will booger the birds even in primo conditions.
On the third point, I’ve seen it a few times where birds roosted within spitting distance of their hen become quite quiet.

In terms of what calls
For shocking I stay with owls (especially with screeches) and crows/ravens. Regular calling for locating, hard cuts on a glass pot call have worked well.

Anyway I’m no turkey master, hope this helps.
 
High pitched, loud, excited yelps and cuts, coyote howls, and owl hoots. If you're looking for a shock gobble, you wand LOUD. You'll hear better and cover more ground calling from ridge tops.
 
I would advise more time in the woods boot leather covering ground and listening in the mornings and evenings. Obviously calm mornings will give you the best chance to find out if they've got a favorite roost.
 
I would advise more time in the woods boot leather covering ground and listening in the mornings and evenings. Obviously calm mornings will give you the best chance to find out if they've got a favorite roost.
Yeah, this is universal. Unfortunately, though it gives me lots of moments to check rokslide, this job thing prevents me from actually being in the woods as much as Id like, and I just cant manage that many pre-dawn starts. I do have more than a decade of prior knowledge here, there are a few areas Ive heard turkeys the most, but it has been far from consistent.

It may just take me a healthy dose of luck, I suppose. Just trying to learn what I can to push that luck in my favor and maximize the time I do have.
 
High pitched, loud, excited yelps and cuts, coyote howls, and owl hoots. If you're looking for a shock gobble, you wand LOUD. You'll hear better and cover more ground calling from ridge tops.
Can you be too loud? Ie spook birds? Or clam them up only with a loud call (as opposed to walking up on them)?

And do you worry about making turkey noises, or is it a non-issue in the PM?
 
If you could hunt in the afternoon I would use a different approach, maybe, depending on the situation. For just locating a bird on the roost to come back and hunt in the morning, I would be as loud as possible. Walking up on the bird and bumping it is worse than calling too loud in my opinion.

They will clam up if you are close and loud, but they will normally give you that one shock gobble. In my experience, at 200+ yards, if they gobble once at a coyote howl they will gobble every time I blow it.
 
Look for any kind of diversity in that terrain, old cut over, recent burns, creeks, power lines anything that breaks the monotony of that timber. Logging roads.

Maybe an edge of hard woods and pines?

As stated look for scratching, have killed many over the years just setting up on fresh sign like that.

They tend to like to roost around points over looking a drainage, steep is good.
 
Look for any kind of diversity in that terrain, old cut over, recent burns, creeks, power lines anything that breaks the monotony of that timber. Logging roads.

Maybe an edge of hard woods and pines?

As stated look for scratching, have killed many over the years just setting up on fresh sign like that.

They tend to like to roost around points over looking a drainage, steep is good.
Thank you, good advice and worth repeating. In this case Im trying to learn about tactics people use to locate widely scattered turkeys when I have my choice of literally dozens of all the above, all on one contiguous area. Any tips (beyond “cover lots of ground”) for how best to find the spot within one giant area where they are on any given day?
 
In big woods I bet your best option is to look for turkey scratchings where the hens have been feeding. Find the hens, find the gobbler
 
Another non expert here…I’m with you up in N central VT and hunt very similar conditions. I’ve tried for years to locate birds in the evening for morning hunts with little success. I think it’s so dependent on weather, predators, hunting pressure and I feel like geography too. I don’t think birds in our area are as vocal as other areas of the country. Often for some reason they just don’t want to give up their location. I’ve hunted a few other states and locating birds seems much easier with a shock call. I’ve had way more success here with getting up super early and getting to an area I can hear a good distance around me and listen for early gobbles and try to close as much distance as possible before they go quiet. Mid morning birds seem to be more shock vocal around me. More experience than helpful info but If you find out some secrets please share because I’m in the same boat. GL
 
How patient are you?
Patient, find where you think they are, sign/sounds/etc. start soft and few yelps clucks, purrs, increase volume and repertoire as time fades.

Impatient - loud cackles. Loud yelping. Loud crow. Pilated woodpecker. Air horn! Drury Outdoors turkey whistle. Gobble on a box. Fighting hens. Throw the kitchen sink at him. Give it 15-20 minutes, move to the next ridge, repeat.
 
loud cackles. Loud yelping. Loud crow. Pilated woodpecker. Air horn! Drury Outdoors turkey whistle. Gobble on a box. Fighting hens. Throw the kitchen sink at him. Give it 15-20 minutes, move to the next ridge, repeat
Thats about how patient I am, you talk to my wife or sumpthin? 😁

This is about what Ive been doing, just doesnt get an answer many days. I think theres either way fewer turkeys than I thought, or they just dont like to gobble much.
 
Thats about how patient I am, you talk to my wife or sumpthin? 😁

This is about what Ive been doing, just doesnt get an answer many days. I think theres either way fewer turkeys than I thought, or they just dont like to gobble much.
There are some that may gobble a few times on the roost and after fly down never say a word. Now these type birds just don’t get it. They are supposed to sound off so we have some confidence. These are the Rodney Dangerfields’s, no respect.

Then, you have the George Jones’s, they have a great sound, but they are “No Shows.”

Late in the day with no patience, it’s going to be hard. You have to walk quietly, use trees to hide your silhouette, walk like a turkey scratching. Find a tall bush to stand in, call a little, not very loud, give him the 15-20 minutes, move a few hundred yards, repeat. Turkeys talk a lot up in the day, it’s just soft talking to the group. For early season, learn a good kee kee sound a cadence and listen.

Some of us don’t have the luxury of just moving on to the next “hot” turkey. We have had to learn our woods, terrain, where our quarry wants to be at different times during the day, p-a-t-I-e-n-c-e and lots of it, plus don’t give up, keep going, keep learning. When it pays off, learn from that too, what went right to make that happen, what else was around, what type day was it, the time, what did I do differently, etc.

Then, some days, God just says, today is your day, here he is, enjoy My Creation that I gave you dominion over. You didn’t do much of anything, he just showed up.
 
You can hear a turkeys wing beat flying up from a long way off in the right conditions, stay high and stay late, many of the courtesy gobbles I get in the evening are later than one might expect.
 
I will make a point to try sitting out up high until well after its fully dark and see if I can hear more than I have been. I feel like I've been doing that--unsuccessfully--so at some point it's possible there just arent turkeys around as often as I think.
I tend to think it's me rather than "there's no turkeys here" though, so any suggestions on tactics I'm still listening. Thanks again.
 
Mac, I think you’re in VT, correct? I am too. Me and my pals have been having a heck of a time getting the toms to be vocal this year. No idea why. I’ve had several times where I’ve spotted some at 300ish yards away in the fields at one of my spots, called at them, they turn and come towards me closing the distance but none of them made a single gobble. I’ve heard three gobbles all year, but I’m seeing Tom’s/jakes in the usually spots (although not near as many as past years).
 
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