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[BCDJR]

I've shots hundreds of animals. But a guy with exactly zero shots on big game could still grasp - merely through the apparent superpower of reading, without being an 'internet expert' - that goats don't have shale armor.

The OP made a ridiculous post and then doubled down and started attacking people who called him out. And you're defending him and siding with him. That's a character issue, not a lack of knowledge, and you'll never shoot enough goats to fix it.

Ah…the name calling starts. Go do some more cartoons

 

[WVELK]

I'm not the king of anything and certainly don't know everything, but I know a strawman when I see one, and I know *why* people make strawman arguments.

So keep going. Make the thread about me. Make it about anything on earth except the video of the armored goat that was hit broadsided in the vitals at long range with an ELDM and not recovered and somehow it's the bullet's fault.

Right?

Chris,

It is not about you. It is about trying to help hunters who are looking for information, and giving them another tool in the tool box to use when trying to prepare for a hunt. I have been blessed by God many times over. I go on more big game hunts in a year than most will go on in a lifetime. However, that was not always the case and when I went on my first approximately 30 years ago I wanted to do everything I could to make sure I was prepared including shooting the right bullet. So all I wanted to do was let someone who is not as knowledgeable as you know they might gather some good information from guides regarding bullet selection. I agree some guides are not a wealth of information on bullet selection, but I have to say the ones I have used over the last 10 years or so have been very knowledgeable.

As for the video, I watched the shot on video. I do not have the video. It was taken by another guide, not my guide. With all due respect, considering how this thread has went I am not going to make any effort to find out who the guide was and then ask him to send me the video so I can upload it and let everyone Monday morning quarterback critique the guys shot, etc. The hunter was very upset he lost that goat.

Since you have never killed a goat, I am assuming you have never walked up to a dead one in late season. I am attaching a photo of one of the goats we watched last week. Those big billies are covered in shale, dirt and ice that time of year. I am not an engineer. All I know is that they guy hit the goat at 600 yards and he did not kill the goat that day. They said the goat walked away. They looked for the goat. Where it went I do not know. If you go on a goat hunt, and I hope you do get the chance if that is something you would like to do one day, use whatever bullet you want to use. I shot mine with a 180 grain Berger VLD and it worked perfectly. So best to you and yours.

 

[Steve300xcw]

It looks like only the rear shoulders are covered in mud and shale. Maybe that was the real problem?

 

[Glendon Mullins]

to echo @fngTony this thread is being watched closely and is on thin ice, stop arguing , stop name calling or it will be locked

 

[WVELK]

It looks like only the rear shoulders are covered in mud and shale. Maybe that was the real problem?

My friend that is not the goat that was shot. It was posted only to show an example of how they get dirty.

 

[WVELK]

to echo @fngTony this thread is being watched closely and is on thin ice, stop arguing , stop name calling or it will be locked

It should be locked. This is insane.

 

[Glendon Mullins]

It should be locked. This is insane.

Be calm, run down to the local gas station and get a Pepperoni Roll and a Mountain Dew, it will cheer ya up!

 

[roadrunner]

I haven’t read this entire thread to know if it’s worth keeping open but the bickering needs to stop.

Please shut it down. The same group of "wolf pack" people have derailed the thread in its entirety to the point anyone opening the thread for the first time would see the bravado cheering section this niche group of people have. It's the same ones every time ad nauseam...

It's not difficult to see the intent of the thread or what the thread owner meant to convey.

 

[Steve300xcw]

Be calm, run down to the local gas station and get a Pepperoni Roll and a Mountain Dew, it will cheer ya up!

Now now. You cant be telling the class to behave and then turn around and toss out bait like that.

 

[Billy Goat]

Now now. You cant be telling the class to behave and then turn around and toss out bait like that.

Thats not bait.

In Wva the pepperoni roll is a real staple.

 

[fngTony]

Be calm, run down to the local gas station and get a Pepperoni Roll and a Mountain Dew, it will cheer ya up!

I’m really trying to not drink soda before 10:00am please stop tempting me

 

[Steve300xcw]

It was posted only to show an example of how they get dirty.

Well of course they get dirty. I cant make it halfway through the day with a white Tshirt. An those poor bastards gotta wear one their entire life

 

[Steve300xcw]

I’m really trying to not drink soda before 10:00am please stop tempting me

mtn dew makes a good mixer..... And it is monday.....

 

[Glendon Mullins]

Now now. You cant be telling the class to behave and then turn around and toss out bait like that.

It's a West Virginia thing, I assume WVELK is from west virginia, so therefore what i posted was meant to cheer him up! a WV pepperoni roll and mountain dew is akin to a steak and wine dinner to you midwest cattlecountry people

 

[Cullbuck]

I always enjoy listening/learning from other's experiences but also what I learn from my own experiences with different calibers/combinations and have found out I learn alot more when my mouth is shut. Once I develop a solid confidence level with a particular combination, I feel much better about using that and not what someone else tells me I need to use.

 

[Steve300xcw]

It's a West Virginia thing, I assume WVELK is from west virginia, so therefore what i posted was meant to cheer him up!

Ahh I see.

a WV pepperoni roll and mountain dew is akin to a steak and wine dinner to you midwest cattlecountry people

wtf you talkin about?

 

[WVELK]

It's a West Virginia thing, I assume WVELK is from west virginia, so therefore what i posted was meant to cheer him up! a WV pepperoni roll and mountain dew is akin to a steak and wine dinner to you midwest cattlecountry people

You don’t need to cheer me up, but I appreciate it. I deal with far worse at work every day. This is child’s play. I am use to people who have never even walked telling others how to run. All good, I just assume they are democrats LOL.

 

[Antares]

Rokslide needs fewer threads like this one.

 

[Steve300xcw]

Rokslide needs fewer threads like this one.

Thanks for bumpin it back to the top

 

[Trogon]

So to recap 6 pages; OP stated he learned a lot from being around a bunch of guides, but has declined to share what he learned. Only that we should call a guide and figure it out ourselves. Is that about where we landed here?