Lightest Water System so far...

Good stuff. Mine was from using untreated water from a stream below a high mountain lake in the Sangre de Cristo mountains that had a beaver dam at the outflow. Where I spend time in the summer and Winters there are moose, elk, deer, bears, beavers, any number of other critters. Given the high probability one of them is taking a crap at some point Upstream of the water, all water has to be treated as contaminated. Again with that, in 35 years of iodine use never had an issue myself. I like the idea of chlorine dioxide, I'll pick some up and use it with confidence from the discussion here.

I have had a water samples from streams/springs coming out of the ground or coming out of abandoned mines that have collapsed that have been tested and shown to be clean. Always nice to have a source of water to fill up at during the day that doesn't need to be treated.
 
With all the money and breathe we waste on testing scopes and rifles to shoot animals at 200 yards we should legit have a “shootout” test with lab results of the various systems in known contaminated water. I’m in for $50 donation for anyone who does the test.

I use drops because the system seems fairly fool proof. I treat water in a Nalgene with a human gear cap so I’m not getting water on the threads. Prior to that I use sawyer filters and while they seemed to work they would clog and then sometimes just quit working. Was hard to keep confidence in the system.
 
Iodine is absolutely ineffective for crypto. If you think your waters may have crypto you better take a different solution for water purification. This has been known for a very long time. We’ve had a water lab here at the local university for going on 40 years. They’ve done lot’s of contract testing on the water filtration/disinfection for the outdoor industry. Many papers have been written out of here on the subject. As already mentioned temperature is a big limiter for iodine. Too cold and it doesn’t work. Chlorine Dioxide is a far better chemical method.

Iodine efficacy on Crypto and Giardia


 
can someone offer a comparison of this Chlorine dioxide (Where do you get it?)
to standard bleach (Sodium hypochlorite)?
If you use enough straight common bleach you’ll need a carbon filter to filter the bleach back out and it’s still not a recommended treatment for cysts. Chlorine dioxide comes in tablet and liquid form from several companies.

Katadyn tabs are also good for cysts. I carry them as my backup.

Aquamira is a very popular two part liquid that’s effective.
 

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I've been reading through the websearch and first couple pages of results all seem to be from sources selling/hyping CLO2, mostly for large scale industrial/municipal treatment. and making the same bullet points. Can any of you educated types confirm the relevant factor of neutralizing Crypto/giardia cysts compared to plaon old NaOCL? I've been packing a small dropper of 10% NaOCL (liquid pool chlorine) and 1oz dropper will treat a lot of gallons of water compared to 1 individually wrapped tablet per liter. I'm used to running a hollow fiber filter mostly anyhow but wouldn't even bring it in cold enough weather and have been considering the full switch to only drops if any freezing is anticipated so I don't even have to think about protecting the filter...
 
Re: testing and chlorine dioxide:

This from a backpacking light blog article which contains a letter directly from Aquamira. My takeaway is that it is tested, it does kill giardia and crypto, that 4hrs is the recommendation for crypto, but that “you mostly arent going to be drinking from water as bad as the standardized epa test water”. That last point is perhaps not super “actionable” as far as a specific time/temp recommendation, but seems relevant.


Aquamira Information and Update

Recently I corresponded with Aquamira Technologies regarding their Aquamira tablets and drops. Product literature for the tablets indicated they generate 4 parts-per-million (ppm) of CLO2 in one liter of water. Based on label information, I calculated that Aquamira drops generate 5 ppm of CLO2 in one liter of water. This similarity in CLO2 ppm between tablets and drops conflicted with statements to the contrary that I had read over the past few years.

I asked Aquamira Technologies if they could confirm the ppm concentration of chlorine dioxide (CLO2) generated by the two products. I also asked about the status of Aquamira drops’ approval as a water purifier.

Aquamira Technologies’ reply to these complex issues was informative and thorough. Here are relevant portions of Aquamira Technologies’ reply:

Lance,


Please allow me to introduce myself; I am Dennis Brown the C.O.O. of Aquamira Technologies, Inc. I have received and reviewed your email of April 4, 2011 relating to some confusion in the market place and internet forums, regarding differences between Aquamira Water Treatment (liquid) and Aquamira Water Purifier Tablets. First, let me thank you for being a devoted user of our products and also let me thank you for your diligence in wading through the large amount of information available on the internet regarding our products in your effort to find answers to what can be somewhat complex questions.

Basically you have come to the correct conclusion in your summary at the end of your email regarding the final concentrations of ClO2 in 1L of water using drops vs. tablets. There are a few things to consider that will add some light and understanding to the issue.

The main difference between the tablets and the drops is the method of delivery of CLO2. In the case of the tablets, ClO2 is generated when the tablet comes in contact with water and it bubbles off as the tablet dissolves. This entire process happens within the container of water that is intended to be treated, so essentially the entire chemical reaction is contained in one container. It is true that when treated according to instructions, the result of the reaction is a 4ppm concentration of ClO2 in 1L of water. The delivery method of the liquid is much more complex and many factors may come into play that could have an effect on the final concentration of ClO2.

1. The reaction begins when the Part B (activator) is added to the Part A (2% stabilized chlorine dioxide). This process happens in a separate mixing cup.

2. The reason that the instructions call for a reaction wait time of 5 minutes is so that the mixture can be added to the water at the peak of ClO2 production. If a person adds the mixture too early or late, the final concentration of ClO2 in the water can be significantly less than the required 4ppm.

3. Since the reaction occurs in an "open-air" environment in the mixing cup, some CLO2 is lost to the atmosphere around the cup. This is evidenced by the "smell" when mixing the solution. Our mixing instructions have taken this into account which is why at first look the liquid concentration in the final container would calculate to be higher than 4ppm. Mixing in a windy area or at higher temperatures can add to this potential loss of ClO2.

4. Once the reaction time is reached, it is important to pour the entire amount of liquid in the mixing cup into the water to be treated. Any leftover material in the mixing cup essentially reduces the concentration of CLO2 in the final container. We recommend poring some of the treated water into the mixing cup and then pouring that back into the container of water to flush out any residual material from the mixing cup.

If all of these requirements are met in the mixing and dispensing of the liquid ClO2 into the final container of water, the resultant concentration of ClO2 should be virtually identical to that of the tablets.

This should address your question regarding the final concentrations of ClO2 in liquid and tablet treated water. Now allow me to address your other questions and concerns.

Aquamira Water Treatment (liquid) has been in the marketplace for over 15 years. Aquamira purchases the base chemical from a bulk supplier. The primary EPA registration for this product was owned and controlled by the bulk chemical supplier. Over the years we have been limited to the label claims that were approved by the EPA for the base chemical supplier, and we had no ability to make changes to those claims. Recently Aquamira procured the EPA registration for the base chemical from the supplier and we are now in the process of submitting our own label with appropriate claims to the EPA. This is a lengthy process, and requires every claim to be backed up with test data. Some of the data was not available from the bulk supplier and must be supplied by Aquamira. We expect this process to take up to a year from now to complete.

Since the initial claims from the bulk supplier for Aquamira Water Treatment were "bacteria, taste and odor", and all testing was done in potable water, the required wait times are appropriately lower than the tablets. The testing for the tablets was conducted to meet the EPA purifier standards in EPA Type II water. This water is kept at low temps, has a high level of turbidity, and organic load to intentionally make chemical treatment more difficult. This is the reason for the 4 hour wait time with the tablets. Under EPA Type II conditions it takes 4 hours to achieve a >99.9% reduction of Cryptosporidium which is the most difficult test organism to kill. If Aquamira Water Treatment was subjected to the same conditions, it would require a 4 hour wait time to kill Crypto as well. Keep in mind that in very few cases would anyone encounter water sources that are even remotely close in difficulty to treat as EPA Type II water.

Thank you again for the opportunity to address your questions and concerns.

Dennis B. Brown
Chief Operating Officer
Aquamira Technologies, Inc.
 
^ good info :)

Just one more comment on my use of ClO2; my tabs (Potable Aqua) calls for one tab for 2 liters of water. My dosage is double that— one tab goes into 32 oz Nalgene (half tab in 16 oz).

It usually works out that by the time I finish a liter of treated water it’s 4 hours; sometimes it’s a little less, but I’m not sweating as I’m essentially doubling the dose and the water I’m treating and I don’t think it’s nearly as bad as the EPA is requiring for their testing.

Of course YMMV
 
Lol, that's a good point. The water we're pulling out of streams and other sources in the outdoors is not third world stagnant liquid. Probably the reason folks have had good success with the methods being talked about here.
 
For me, there's not a filter available these days from a reputable manufacturer that I wouldn't use to provide what I consider safe water in the outdoors.

With that, boiling is the way without guesswork to eliminate the risk.
 
i think most of the common filters are fine. The problem for me is the light weight ones seem prone to failure and require inconvenient special handling in cold weather.
 
May I ask which you would recomend
What is your use scenario? That might help figuring out what you might want or need.

I’ve been using the Hydrapak squeeze filter. It’s the same threading as the Katadyn squeeze filter. When it came time to replace my Katadyn I switched to the Hydrapak. The Hydrapak is less prone to clogging. I haven’t had that issue with either of them. You do have to protect them from freezing. There are pump filters that tolerate freezing. Some of them actually recommend storing the filter in the freezer to stop any bacterial growth while in non use.

Just remember this: All it takes is one viable cyst into your gut and you’ve got it. Keep your hands clean and out of your mouth. Touch something with a cyst and then touch that finger to your mouth and you’ve completed the cycle.
 
Sheep hunting the Beartooths in Montana I have been replacing all my gear as I have never carried a filter just drank the Mt water been lucky I guess but now that I am turning 70 I was going to invest in one the lighter the better
 
The more water filters are talked about, I'm really happy tossing a couple tablets of my favorite variety into one water bottle and let it treat while I drink from the other one. Same thing with a bladder, fill it up, put tablets in it and hike on.

I have an older MSR guardian, it pumps a lot of water volume, great for base camp and larger quantities. Ridiculous the price of them nowadays though. Good down to .02 microns, according to MSR it's good against everything which includes protozoa bacteria viruses, particles, the odd deer and
elk droppings as well lol.
 
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