Latest Hornady Pod Cast....I swear they are members here...

[Southernfried]

Anyone watched the latest pod cast on youtube by Hornady? Best cartridge for I swear they are members there. They spend roughly 45 minutes talking about Antelope (yea we have a bunch here in TN lol ) but I listen anyway. Besides the banter about antelope, how to cook it, eat it, etc they discuss cartridges and what they are all switching to. Short version, nothing that recoils harder than a 6.5 prc for anything in North America. Optimal antelope to 400-500 yards, 22 CM with the 80 eldx. They said the days of heavy recoil for them are out the window, they look at each cartridge, look at velocity, keep it above 1800 fps no matter the distance, let the velocity at impact dictate the distance you should shoot. Their choices of lower recoil and better accuracy from a rifle, (in no order) 308, 6.5cm, 243,223, 6cm, 22cm, 22 ARC, 6 ARC, 22-250, 25 cm, 25/06 , and with the right bullet you can kill anything you wish as long as it is legal in your area, and you keep the velocity above 1800 in their lead core bullets, 2000 for their cx's. I mean for a minute you would swear they had been lurking here, or talking with @Formidilosus or @Ryan Avery lol. It was quite refreshing.....and not a word about energy or wallop lol

 

[nm.otter]

They spend a fair bit on R&D, why not take advantage of it?

 

[MuleyFever]

Or, maybe they just know how their projectiles perform. I would say they know what they are talking about.

 

[Dan Carey]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, as long as it don't disagree with mine, lol..

 

[AZ_Hunter]

When they talk elk or moose, they still bring up 300 PRC, 7 PRC etc a lot. But I think they really know they aren’t needed, but have to play to the market.

 

[Marty]

I found it interesting how the ELD-M was not mentioned as a bullet choice for antelope.

 

[KHntr]

When I talked to a tech there at Hornady last year about my experiences with the 88 ELD m on elk and moose from a 223AI, he (gently) slapped my hand and said I should be using the 80 ELD x instead of the 88 ELD m…. Because “the x is our hunting bullet.”

No reason other than “the M isn’t designed for that. Use the X, it’s our hunting bullet.”

 

[JGRaider]

When it comes to killing big/medium game animals, most of this modern day mental messaging of high BC's, 10+ shot groups, etc is overkill. About 20 years ago I took my son antelope hunting and he insisted on taking his T3 7-08. We/he loved the Winchester Fail Safe (new guys are saying "what?") 140grainers so he took those as well. He wound up killing a 87" B&C head at 328 yds. Antelope took about 25 steps, spun around, and dropped. Killing stuff isn't that hard.

 

[justin davis]

When it comes to killing big/medium game animals, most of this modern day mental messaging of high BC's, 10+ shot groups, etc is overkill. About 20 years ago I took my son antelope hunting and he insisted on taking his T3 7-08. We/he loved the Winchester Fail Safe (new guys are saying "what?") 140grainers so he took those as well. He wound up killing a 87" B&C head at 328 yds. Antelope took about 25 steps, spun around, and dropped. Killing stuff isn't that hard.

That’s awesome. Yea killing stuff is t that hard especially Pronghorns. They are pretty small critters

 

[Lou270]

Hornady also says don’t use ELDM because they are not designed to expand reliably and may expand one time at a certain velocity and not the next and that they have a “paper thin jacket” so don’t penetrated reliably. So do they know what they are talking about or not?

Lou

 

[HandgunHTR]

I found it interesting how the ELD-M was not mentioned as a bullet choice for antelope.

Imagine that, a podcast done by a bullet manufacturer isn't telling people to use just a single line of the multiple lines of bullets that they manufacture. I wonder why that is?

 

[JGood]

When I talked to a tech there at Hornady last year about my experiences with the 88 ELD m on elk and moose from a 223AI, he (gently) slapped my hand and said I should be using the 80 ELD x instead of the 88 ELD m…. Because “the x is our hunting bullet.”

No reason other than “the M isn’t designed for that. Use the X, it’s our hunting bullet.”

You need to be practicing with the ELDM (no less than 10k rounds a year AND hunting with the ELDX (site in with minimum 100 round groups 5X per year). You cannot shoot steel or paper with ELDX and you best not be using ELDMs on flesh. Hornady strictly enforces these rules. If you’re caught mixing…even by accident, straight to Jail

 

[BLJ]

straight to Jail

Good show.

 

[EdP]

Earlier in the month I shot an antelope buck with my Rem 700 BDL in .270 Win. The rifle doesn't have a recoil pad and can get uncomfortable shooting more than 5 or 6 shots from a range bench. I never felt it shooting the antelope, which dropped on the spot.

 

[Dan Carey]

Hornady also says don’t use ELDM because they are not designed to expand reliably and may expand one time at a certain velocity and not the next and that they have a “paper thin jacket” so don’t penetrated reliably. So do they know what they are talking about or not?

Lou

Match bullets have pure lead, most hunting bullets have a lead alloy, usually antimony. And then there is the jacket material and thickness.

 

[JFK]

Bullet mfg’s distance themselves from saying match bullets are good for hunting because they are sold to military and law enforcement. Hague convention has some things to say about bullets. The people making the bullets aren’t dummies.

 

[Lou270]

Bullet mfg’s distance themselves from saying match bullets are good for hunting because they are sold to military and law enforcement. Hague convention has some things to say about bullets. The people making the bullets aren’t dummies.

The Hague convention states a bullet should not easily deform or flatten in tissue. It has nothing to do with how a bullet is named and whether call it match or not people scrutinize it. Law enforcement has no such restrictions which is why they carry hollow points in their carry guns and some LE rifle ammo uses poly tipped bullets. However, LE does care about over penetration so manufacturers don’t load hunting bullets which would penetrate way more than for ex, the FBI test recommends

This internet myth about naming/marketing is made from ignorant internet “experts” rationalizing match bullets for hunting. The myth spans from the fact manufacturers renamed “match” bullets like Sierra Matchking to “Open Tip Match” from “boat tail hollow point”. Sierra matchking and some other similar match bullets were thoroughly tested and was determined to not “easily expand or flatten” in tissue. Basically the hollowpoint is not there to initiate expansion like a hunting or defense hp, just an effect of how the bullet is made and very small. They sometimes tumble and fragment, but so do FMJ the military uses. Even though the matchking was “approved” for military use there was confusion because of “bthp” name and in some cases the matchking ammo was not issued so it was changed to “OTM”. This has absolutely nothing to do with eldm etc… like is often inferred here and on other sites

Lou