Kuiu.... hmmmm

[KurtR]

Oh no, hopefully no one can dig up any dirt on Walmart and Wrangler-I wear these pants too.

The wallton family own a huge ranch and lock hunters out of thousands of acres of public land. Its on the thread about huge land barons and how we should steal their land back. So walmart is now on the boycott list burn those pants if you stand with the public land hunter.

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Thread 'Largest Private Western Land Owners Controlling Huge Amounts Of Public Land'

Dec 10, 2025

Let’s make a list of all the Largest western states land owners who are also controlling vast amounts of our public lands. Mainly interested in the landowners who are tying up our public lands for their own personal gains and private hunting for their families, business associates, and friends. Let’s compile a list of total acres , private acres , public acres controlled . Also comment if these land barons allow the public on their public controlled lands. Name the landowners and the family they are associated with and other known land holdings they have in all western states.Many of these...

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[Crowmangler]

You need to reel yourself in. This has nothing to do with the original topic.

Sent from my SM-S926U using Tapatalk

My bad. Apologies... carry on

 

[LostArra]

Thrown for a Loop - The Drake Magazine

Ulterior Motive or change of heart?

drakemag.com

Followup: apparently Kennedy and others who wanted to limit access to the river are not "worn out or embarrassed". They have decided a better plan to get their way is to just change the composition of the Montana Supreme Court with major political donations to judges who lean their way.

In the source I read (I'm still looking for it) Kennedy originally purchased the property which was advertised as having exclusive river rights. That was false but he wasn't aware it was false until after the purchase. (Buyer Beware)
Then those using the river were not just wading fly fishing enthusiasts as pictured in the Drake article. Bank fishermen, tube floaters and general stream party folk were in fact trespassing going above the high water mark and also leaving trash, inner tubes and coolers on his property.
I am not in Kennedy's corner on the access issue but any private landowner would be pissed about irresponsible behavior on or next to their property. BHA wasn't coming out to clean up the mess.

 

[dreamingWest]

Kuiu has been surprisingly consistent since they lost Jason Hairston. Maybe it's because hunters like Brendan Burns (and others) still have a lot of say in their hunting pieces. I did not expect Kuiu's expansion from their core to go so well, but the whitetail pieces I've tried have been really great. I try most all hunting brands, mix and match, and select individual pieces that work best for me. Kuiu keeps getting closet space.

 

[NMJM]

Its fascinating how people align with certain brands and make it part of their identity. How many of us still watch the NFL and they are actively trying to rip this country apart. The ultimate goal of every NFL team is to make money, yet most Americans put their team on the same level as their religion. At the end of the day every company is try to separate you from your money, and there is nothing wrong with that. Sorry I know off topic but somehow I see a connection with how we as consumers identify with some businesses such as Kuiu and the NFL.

 

[bowkill]

I haven't ever understood the blowback that people get on here about boycotting some company because of their beliefs. Obviously, if you do enough digging on any company, you are going to find someone that has done something bad or just doesn't align with your beliefs. However, if you get slapped in the face with a company doing something that is against your beliefs and principles, then why is it such a bad thing to avoid giving them money when there are other options out there? Personally, I choose to not purchase from JetBoil because I heard that they are notoriously anti-hunting. There are plenty of other options that I can buy from, and yes, maybe none of them are any better, buy why not avoid the one that I happen to know about?

 

[Yaremkiv]

Usually I wouldnt care about something like this, as others have said; almost all of our favorite products are made by companies owned by a scum bag or two. This does hit closer to home. Especially since just last week I had to rip off a false "no trespassing" sign some POS put up on a public trail because the trail lined the border of his property.

 

[WRO]

Followup: apparently Kennedy and others who wanted to limit access to the river are not "worn out or embarrassed". They have decided a better plan to get their way is to just change the composition of the Montana Supreme Court with major political donations to judges who lean their way.

In the source I read (I'm still looking for it) Kennedy originally purchased the property which was advertised as having exclusive river rights. That was false but he wasn't aware it was false until after the purchase. (Buyer Beware)
Then those using the river were not just wading fly fishing enthusiasts as pictured in the Drake article. Bank fishermen, tube floaters and general stream party folk were in fact trespassing going above the high water mark and also leaving trash, inner tubes and coolers on his property.
I am not in Kennedy's corner on the access issue but any private landowner would be pissed about irresponsible behavior on or next to their property. BHA wasn't coming out to clean up the mess.

That’s the crux of the issue, the general public sucks. I have met so many ranchers who used to allow hunting who got screwed by “good” people.

 

[jmez]

Who here that hunts public land has never once been appalled at how the "public" treats their public land? I'll wait.

 

[wind gypsy]

There you go Mr. Sitka

"W.L. Gore & Associates faces major controversies, primarily around PFAS "forever chemicals" in its Gore-Tex products, leading to lawsuits in Maryland for polluting drinking water with these persistent toxins, accusations of greenwashing by misleading consumers about product safety, and earlier issues with anti-competitive distribution practices in South Korea, highlighting environmental and ethical concerns."

Near every technical gear company with a water resistant or water proof breathable gear has used or still uses PFAS.

 

[Axlrod]

Walmart Wrangler cargo pants.

I used to wear those for work pants they would last me 3-4 months. I switched to Kuiu Attack pants in solid colors. The Kuiu's I have on right now have been worn and washed going on 6 years.

 

[IdahoBeav]

None of this has anything to do with hunters choosing to spend their money with companies that aren’t a direct threat to public access for hunting/fishing. I don’t have any SM other than forums and I don’t considered them SM.

PETA members don’t go and buy fur coats because it’s not the only option to stay warm. Hunters should only buy from companies that support their passion. Yes it’s hard to find the perfect company, but educating hunters on where their money goes and to whom isn’t a negative thing.

Most people also laugh at PETA members.

 

[cuerro viejo]

Congrats to JJ @ G. Hell of an investment flip.

Mellisa is a valuable business commodity

 

[Rock’N Tacos]

So, James Kennedy, the current chair of Cox Enterprises, a massive conglomerate that owns a ton of smaller companies, including Kuiu, attempted to block public access to land in Montana due to a private/public dispute, and now we all need to get outraged and boycott Kuiu?

I’ll pass on the boycott. There are simply more important things to worry about in life.

Why don’t ya’ll go through your house and examine every brand you own and like and then research every board member of both that brand, as well as their parent company, see what ya find.

I think this is a fair point. My counter would be that there are things that we can reasonably control and clothing is one of the them, especially clothing specific to what we are all passionate about. Where you choose to eat out, where you choose to vacation or the streaming services you pay for (Disney) you have reasonable control over. Some stuff like cell phones, TVs, electronics, paper goods etc. are not reasonable. I have been doing a little research and it seems like Jocko’s company, Origin, is pretty legit. Shares the same values Jocko does and are american made. Maybe an alternative to consider.

 

[aMurderOfCrows]

How many guys will enthusiastically share this post on Facebook & Instagram, the platform used to spy on people & used to help round up grandmas who walked into a public building. Owned by Zuck who is probably the single, worst human being currently walking the planet. At the request of the deep state commies, he censored & deplatformed the sitting president and anyone who dared to exercise their constitutional 1st amendment rights. I could go on for hours about that POS. How many of y'all still have a FB or IG account? That is 1,000x worse in my opinion

I don’t and never did. Boom.

 

[aMurderOfCrows]

Oh no, hopefully no one can dig up any dirt on Walmart and Wrangler-I wear these pants too.

I think they gave a bunch of kids in China and Bangladesh jobs. That was nice of them.

 

[wind gypsy]

Congrats to JJ @ G. Hell of an investment flip.

Mellisa is a valuable business commodity

Tell us more.

 

[aMurderOfCrows]

Its fascinating how people align with certain brands and make it part of their identity. How many of us still watch the NFL and they are actively trying to rip this country apart. The ultimate goal of every NFL team is to make money, yet most Americans put their team on the same level as their religion. At the end of the day every company is try to separate you from your money, and there is nothing wrong with that. Sorry I know off topic but somehow I see a connection with how we as consumers identify with some businesses such as Kuiu and the NFL.

I was the most HARDCORE NFL junkie. I had to quit cold turkey in 2020.

 

[IAm_Not_Lost]

I think this is a fair point. My counter would be that there are things that we can reasonably control and clothing is one of the them, especially clothing specific to what we are all passionate about. Where you choose to eat out, where you choose to vacation or the streaming services you pay for (Disney) you have reasonable control over. Some stuff like cell phones, TVs, electronics, paper goods etc. are not reasonable. I have been doing a little research and it seems like Jocko’s company, Origin, is pretty legit. Shares the same values Jocko does and are american made. Maybe an alternative to consider.

I don’t have a dog in the fight. Have never purchased anything from Kuiu. My point is just that punishing a company that just happens to be owned by a larger company who happens to have an executive officer who is a crappy person, doesn’t really interest me (based on the limited info presented in the OP post).

Better - and much more efficient - ways to make your displeasure known and punish the responsible executive than not buying stuff from a small company that is a tiny fraction of his business.

 

[cuerro viejo]

Tell us more.

Tell what? The investment company that owned majority of Kuiu, sold, just like all investment companies normally do. Kuiu’s growth has been industry leading while others slowly collapse. Mellisa is a large part of that growth. Hat tip to her. Who ever found her, made a great decision to bring her in