Kuiu and no spandex

They still have to use some sort of elastic to hold the garment close to the skin. Spandex is a brand but a far as I know they all have very similar makeup. I'd need interested in seeing the comparison chart if they even have one.

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They have covered this in various YouTube videos. It is heavier, stretches out, and does hold water for a longer time than other materials.

I’m not sure there is a massive difference in moisture retention, but if you’re hunting in a damp area I’d want to dry as fast as possible.
 
They still have to use some sort of elastic to hold the garment close to the skin. Spandex is a brand but a far as I know they all have very similar makeup. I'd need interested in seeing the comparison chart if they even have one.

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There is no elastic. The way they weave the fabric allows it to stretch without it. It’s very easy to find this information on their site.
 
There is no elastic. The way they weave the fabric allows it to stretch without it. It’s very easy to find this information on their site.
I was taking about as a insulation piece not a nylon outer layer. I really don't have a opinion other than typically a spandex blend often adds very little in actual moisture retention. If "great improvement" isn't quantified no one knows if it could dry out 30 seconds, 5 minutes, 30 minutes, or an hour faster. Marketing can be more powerful than innovation.

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I was taking about as a insulation piece not a nylon outer layer. I really don't have a opinion other than typically a spandex blend often adds very little in actual moisture retention. If "great improvement" isn't quantified no one knows if it could dry out 30 seconds, 5 minutes, 30 minutes, or an hour faster. Marketing can be more powerful than innovation.

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It's not just marketing. I've seen the failure of the spandex. My corrugate guides has little pulls and pills all over from the spandex failing.

I would agree though that a little spandex doesnt seem to produce a noticeable amount of moisture retention over a garment with zero.

Also, Kuiu has made a mid layer with spandex in it. It was the Teton half zip. It's funny too because in the Facebook live event Jason said it was 100% polyester.

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It's not just marketing. I've seen the failure of the spandex. My corrugate guides has little pulls and pills all over from the spandex failing.

FYI Spandex is a brand name covering a wide spectrum of products. The fibers come in different grades and performance levels.
Perhaps the manufacturers bonding process of blending the fibers failed instead of the actual fibers breaking down to cause the pilling?

I was simply trying to point out that there's a huge array of fibers they aren't all equal and without quantification you don't know what the comparison is. What you end up with is marketing hype saying this is better than that.


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The spandex/elastic waistband on hiking boxers and pants always seems to be the last thing that dries on my pants when they're sweaty or wet. Leads me to believe spandex doesn't dry as quick as poly or nylon
 
There was a chart on here years ago. It stated if you take Spandex, nylon, poly, and wool of the same weight the spandex would take almost twice as long to dry as the others. I will try to dig it up when I am not in the woods.
 
The thing that doesn't make sense is a company like Sitka can use any fabrics they want to, including torray, and they choose to use fabrics with spandex. As advanced as Gore is, you would think they would stop using Spandex/lycra if it was that bad.
 
Sitka is bound to meet costs & price points to make their retailers & stockholders happy.
 
If people continually buy Sitka at the prices they charge then why change it? Most people don't realize spandex is inferior. Kuiu probably makes a point of it in their marketing to make themselves stand out as more technical and advanced, which they may be. My one question though would be at what percentage of spandex in a garment is it actually detrimental? Is it 1%? Or does it not make a difference until 5% or 10%? Million dollar question in my mind. But like I said, spandex waistbands suck for drying out is all I know.
 
I read somewhere that anything over 10% elastane is the percentage of diminishing returns. Thats why most pieces are generally in that range or lower.

I look at it this way both have advantages and disadvantages. I think some of the Sitka fabris are more durable. And I would assume anything that stretches will eventually wear out.
 
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