Kibler Longrifles - Hawken Kit 2025

That is a great looking rifle! Is there any cast off on the stock? I am a lefty. A cheek piece on the “wrong” side doesn’t bother me much, but cast off does.
No, there isn't any cast in the butt. I don't know if it says on the website, but he did answer that question either in a video or in a forum post
 
Wish Jim would make an accurate reproduction of a 1820-1840 era Lancaster or Philly flint long rifle that was common in the early western fur trade. You can find good stuff that is earlier and later, but few people have ever done a really good common trappers rifle from this period. Something from Henry, Deringer, the Dickert-Gill brothers or similar makers. Just never seems to get much traction. That said, Jim is making a beautiful Hawkenish gun.
I agree. I'd love a J Henry gun.
 
1 shot for the buff? Where did it hit? How long did he take to go down?
It was about a 50 yard shot with a 435 gr Maxi Hunter bullet. My guide said to shoot him in the bare spot behind his shoulder. He went down at the shot, then got up and ran about 10 yards and stopped. My guide was telling me to shoot again, but by the time I got reloaded, he dropped dead.

495 pounds of burger and another box of the backstraps and loins cut and wrapped in 1-2 pound packages. The first steaks that we cooked had great flavor, but they were about as tender as shoe leather so I ground all of the rest of them into burger.
 
I agree. I'd love a J Henry gun.
Hard to believe Jim would ever get excited about a milk-toast Lancaster styled gun with engraving done by a monkey with a screwdriver who drinks too much coffee. J Henry’s were the Savage or Mossberg of the day and were not exactly a refined weapon. That said, it would have a market for people interested in the western fur trade. I would imagine that any such gun that Jim made would far surpass the quality of the original guns. I would certainly buy one. I’d also be totally happy with a Henry Deringer eagle-head box gun from him. Either would fill a hole in the market for people interested in the period.
 
1 shot for the buff? Where did it hit? How long did he take to go down?
This is where you place a one shot kill on a buff, when they move their elbow Forword. Lungs & heart sit low. I have taken 3 buffs with my flint 54 cal. with 4 shots. Last one took a second because I grazed it low. All open range, first one near the Turner ranch, patched round ball, passed through found it in the opposite leg, he went down pretty quick. Where we were there was a old buffalo hunters camp. The rancher had some cool artifacts.

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The Kibler kits are shipping. My buddy got his a few weeks back and has it all finished off. Turned out beautiful. His is a 58. I imagine it will shoot fine.
 
That's the point. Not many old farts can handle a 10+ pound hawken. I wouldn't even want to haul 10lb rifle around in the mountains
Yes I understand why he designed it that way but it makes it less functional for a large caliber hunting rifle in the west. Mine is about 9lbs and it still kicks like hell with a hunting load.
 
Mine is 8 3/4 pounds. A 104 grain load of Swiss let's you know. In that lighter rig, I'd happily just roll with 80-85 grains I think. As I get older, shedding a bit of weight on the Hawken sounds pretty good.

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I’ll take a lighter rifle any day in the mountains over a heavier one! I shoot 600 gr conicals with 100 gr 777 in my .504 White Odyssey which only weighs 6 lb 5 oz.
 
I was once enamoured with the idea of getting one of these, but I'm now thinking I'll just stick to building one for myself that suits my use/needs/desires.
I’ll take a lighter rifle any day in the mountains over a heavier one! I shoot 600 gr conicals with 100 gr 777 in my .504 White Odyssey which only weighs 6 lb 5 oz.
Yikes. With a break?
 
That's the point. Not many old farts can handle a 10+ pound hawken. I wouldn't even want to haul 10lb rifle around in the mountains
My .54 Hawken weighs 9 1/2 pounds, as does my .375 RUM and 7mm RM. My other hunting rifles (.300 Wby, .257 Ackley, and .22-250) all weigh 9 3/4 lbs without their slings.

I'll be 80 next month, and I don't have any problems carrying these rifles around hunting in the mountains.
 
Weighed my 58 Hawken and it goes 8 3/4 pounds. Balances really well and never seems that heavy. Buddy weighed his Kibler 58 and it goes 7 pounds 8 ounces. I think I could get used to that personally. If they ever make a lefty, I'll probably grab one though as a 54 so it would probably be closer to 8 pounds.
 
I figured my buddy would be anxious to shoot. 80 grains of fffg and a .570 roundball cloverleafed at 33 yards. I asked him about recoil and he stated that with his winter coat on he didn't even notice it. So I'd not be scared of a 7.5 pound 58 cal Hawken I don't think.
 
I figured my buddy would be anxious to shoot. 80 grains of fffg and a .570 roundball cloverleafed at 33 yards. I asked him about recoil and he stated that with his winter coat on he didn't even notice it. So I'd not be scared of a 7.5 pound 58 cal Hawken I don't think.
I sure wouldn't worry about 80gr. I use 70-80 2f schuetzen in mine as a practice load and it's very mild. But with my hunting load of 120gr, which I try to practice with a lot, recoil is much too high and that's with mine being around 9lbs. Not that i dislike getting punched, but repeated high recoil over time likely isn't good for a person, it harder to shoot accurately from recoil management perspective, and is good at causing a flinch.

If I get one, I'll probably go 54 and hide some lead in the stock for extra weight.
 
HU,What velocity are you getting with 120 gr? I was at 104 grains and doing about 1,730 fps. I'm also a fan of the 54 and if a lefthanded flintlock showed up, I may have to try one. Making smoke has always been a bit more fun to me than shooting modern stuff though I love both.
 
HU,What velocity are you getting with 120 gr? I was at 104 grains and doing about 1,730 fps. I'm also a fan of the 54 and if a lefthanded flintlock showed up, I may have to try one. Making smoke has always been a bit more fun to me than shooting modern stuff though I love both.
Same here. The only reason I primarily use a bolt gun for hunting is increasing my chance to fill my tag. If I didn't depend on the meat, I'd just tote a flintlock around every single hunt.

For the 2f schuetzen 120 (actually 125ish weighed) I think it was around 1750 but can't remember for sure. It's been awhile since I've Chronod that load. I started using some swiss 2f this year, 100gr (weighed), and was getting about 1775. The swiss is sharper recoil but not nearly as bad. Still more than I'd want.

In my 54 Santa Fe Hawken, 0.526 balls, I used 90gr 2f swiss and got 1950fps. That was pretty stout and I think that gun is ballpark 9lbs. That's probably max recoil I'd want to do regularly.

I've got a good stock of meat this year, so I was considering taking my flinter on my annual backpack elk hunt. Tough area to hunt with a 100yd max shot distance, but would be fun and rewarding if I tagged one.
 
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