Is There Ever a Time to Hunt with Magnum Calibers?

[Jake Larsen]

But, some match bullets are better than others. Always going for the better ballistics implies that everyone should always use the most ballistic superior solution and that includes velocity, caliber, etc.

I guess that would be ok if we all used exactly the same setup ... but probably is not going to happen.

Nobody is saying we should choose our bullets based on ballistics alone. That’s why there’s entire threads dedicated to terminal performance of specific bullets. Just like with bonded “hunting” bullets, there’s significant differences from bullet to bullet, and even in different calibers/weights of the same bullets. I’ve seen some frankly awful terminal perforce from “hunting” bullets. That’s what testing is for. Not every match bullet is a good hunting bullet. Not every bullet marketed as a “hunting” bullet is a good hunting bullet.

There are a bunch of proven killing match bullets with significantly superior ballistics and excellent terminal performance.


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[Ryan Avery]

You still didn't answer my question. "Why are you trying so hard to get people to move away from something that works?"

Note: I don't need an answer.

I don't care what anyone shoots. The posts above asked about animals at 50 yards with Match bullets. I've seen and shot elk at 50 yards with Partition and ELD-Ms. The difference was minimal. People saying match bullets don't work up close is ignorant. This ignorance is driven by some in the hunting industry and its useful idiots.

 

[Shortschaf]

Ballistics are not objective. Match bullets have better ballistics

Terminal performance isn’t objective either. Time of impact to time of death.

What YOU prefer a wound channel to look like is objective.

For what it’s worth, I use bonded bullets sometimes. But it’s a preference. It’s not better. And I’m actually trading some terminal performance and significant ballistic performance for a certain wound channel preference when I choose to use them.

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[Jake Larsen]

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My bad lol. Meant “subjective” not objective. Corrected it, and excellent use of meme haha


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[atmat]

If you ever get a chance to walk up on a critter at 50 yd or less, your "match" bullet is inadequate, especially if bone is in the way.

Looks just like the caribou at same-ish yardage I took with a VLD. Ruined A LOT of meat that we were after.

These two statements are completely conflicting. So which is it: are match bullets not effective at <50 yards on bone or too effective?

 

[WTFJohn]

These two statements are completely conflicting. So which is it: are match bullets not effective at <50 yards on bone or too effective?

And what bone (s) exactly? I have a cow elk hanging and will happily shoot some bones and show what happens once we finish cutting it up. There are entire threads out there, but if a handful of posters need more evidence in here I'm happy to provide it.

 

[roadrunner]

Funny you speaking to manners as you almost always come across as belligerent.

I come across as belligerent in like kind.

Thanks anyway though...

 

[K9kodi]

When isn’t a magnum caliber acceptablw

 

[JPW13]

When isn’t a magnum caliber acceptablw

When it impacts marksmanship?

 

[K9kodi]

Then it sounds like there is a deficiency that should be remedied

 

[JPW13]

Then it sounds like there is a deficiency that should be remedied

Pretty sure it’s been shown repeatedly that, on average, shooters are more accurate with a lower recoiling rifle than a higher recoiling one. All else being equal.

 

[PredatorSlayer]

Pretty sure it’s been shown repeatedly that, on average, shooters are more accurate with a lower recoiling rifle than a higher recoiling one. All else being equal.

Do you have support for that statement?

 

[j3h8]

Do you have support for that statement?

Put 10 shots in the X with a 223... Now shoot a 338 win mag.

 

[wyosam]

When it impacts marksmanship?

One must carefully tread the line of marksmanship and appropriate levels of wallop though. I heard some animals are just really tough.


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[grappling_hook]

Put 10 shots in the X with a 223... Now shoot a 338 win mag.

And do it under time. And seated with your backpack for a front rest.

 

[PredatorSlayer]

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Put 10 shots in the X with a 223... Now shoot a 338 win mag.

I think some people are recoil sensitive. Thats a fact, but to make a blanket claim you did is BS. You may shoot a 223 more accurate than a 338 win mag, but that doesn’t mean every body else is a sissy.

 

[atmat]

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I think some people are recoil sensitive. Thats a fact, but to make a blanket claim you did is BS. You may shoot a 223 more accurate than a 338 win mag, but that doesn’t mean every body else is a sissy.

Don’t Wez calculators have a variable for recoil ?

 

[Axlrod]

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I think some people are recoil sensitive. Thats a fact, but to make a blanket claim you did is BS. You may shoot a 223 more accurate than a 338 win mag, but that doesn’t mean every body else is a sissy.

I don't see where he made a "claim" at all. He invited you to shoot both rifles. Try it and come back with your results. Real world beats keyboard facts every time!

 

[JohnJohnson]

Don’t Wez calculators have a variable for recoil ?

Have you considered the possibility that he's Built Different™?

 

[JPW13]

Do you have support for that statement?

Sure…

Scientific testing confirms the intuitive relationship between recoil and accuracy. In 2017, the U.S. Army Research Laboratory conducted a controlled study to quantify how subtle differences in recoil energy affect shooter performance. They found that “recoil condition did… influence shot placement, with accuracy decreasing as the energy associated with firing increased.” In other words, even with trained shooters and only slight changes in recoil, higher recoil resulted in worse accuracy (larger shot dispersion). Interestingly, the study noted that shooters maintained similar split times (rate of fire) regardless of recoil, suggesting experienced shooters could work around recoil in terms of timing, but could not avoid its effect on precision . This backs up the common wisdom: recoil makes accurate shot placement harder. The study underscores that recoil management is not just about comfort but measurable performance – as recoil energy went up, groups opened up.

This forum has an interesting propensity to resort to “sealioning”. Reference for when I’m asked…
“is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity”