Is there anyone who prefers MOA vs MIls for hunting purposes?

Now- how is the optimum way to zero using a mil/mil scope taught?
I answered a question of yours and then asked you one: “At what point does it start to matter?” But you didn’t answer the one I asked you, you just went back into ask mode. That’s a tactic for controlling a conversation. You always ask and I must always provide you an answer. I am subservient to you.

If you have something to share, then share it. But don’t presume that you’re going to control a conversation.
 
when .1 MRAD equals 1cm on the target at 100 meters, why not just zero at 100 meters? Since tenths make the mental arithmetic easier, why not take the whole 3.6 and .36 thing at 100 yards and toss it altogether? Surly it can't be that hard to find a place to zero at 100 meters and most rangefinders have a setting in meters.

MRAD shooter, why are you even hanging on to 100-yard zeros, ranging in yards, and 3.6 and .36 at all?
I'm old enough to have learned the metric system in middle school back when the US was still on track to convert. Then came science classes, and engineering school, and a career or two involving international telecommunications. I cook with a gram scale (mostly because I hate fractions).

If 100m ranges were the norm here, I would have a 100m zero. They're not, so I have a 100 yard zero.
 
MRAD advocates often advise to quit thinking in terms of a measurement in inches on the target when shooting in the field. Use subtensions. Okay, but an MRAD shooter still zeros at a certain range and still often uses a rangefinder in the field, and it seems like most of them zero at 100 yards and range in the field in yards. Then point out how it's 3.6 and .36 and not a big deal to figure.

But when .1 MRAD equals 1cm on the target at 100 meters, why not just zero at 100 meters? Since tenths make the mental arithmetic easier, why not take the whole 3.6 and .36 thing at 100 yards and toss it altogether? Surly it can't be that hard to find a place to zero at 100 meters and most rangefinders have a setting in meters.

MRAD shooter, why are you even hanging on to 100-yard zeros, ranging in yards, and 3.6 and .36 at all?
How many people actual zero at exactly 100 yards? I've been to double digit NRA ranges and the 100 yard backer is only 100 yards at between 1 and 3 benches depending upon the firing line and shooting house build. The remaining benches could be anywhere from 98 yards to 104 yards from the bench to the 100 yard backer. These are large ranges with 10 to 20 concrete benches with 25, 50, 100, and 200 yard backers and berms. Guess what, I put my actual range in as my zero range. If I'm 98 yards, that's what I enter in my ballistic calculator and same if I'm at 104 yards.

Added question... Where do your zero from? The back of the scope at your eye? The center of the scope where the dial moves the crosshair? The front of the muzzle since that's where the bullet comes from? Or is it just not that critical as long as you are consistent?

Jay
 
I answered a question of yours and then asked you one: “At what point does it start to matter?” But you didn’t answer the one I asked you, you just went back into ask mode. That’s a tactic for controlling a conversation. You always ask and I must always provide you an answer. I am subservient to you.

If you have something to share, then share it. But don’t presume that you’re going to control a conversation.


I did answer- it’s the same zero. A 100 yard zero is a 100 meter zero. Zero difference that can be adjusted out. The adjustment for a 1,000 yard shot is the exact same for each of those zeroes.
 
23 clicks = turn to 2 and then 3 clicks

31 clicks = turn to 7 and then 3 clicks

You don't see how one is more intuitive than the other?

Does your dope come in the form of clicks? Mine sure doesn’t. That would be a strange system to use.


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I answered a question of yours and then asked you one: “At what point does it start to matter?” But you didn’t answer the one I asked you, you just went back into ask mode. That’s a tactic for controlling a conversation. You always ask and I must always provide you an answer. I am subservient to you.

If you have something to share, then share it. But don’t presume that you’re going to control a conversation.
What point are you trying to make other than weird "checkmate metric man!" stuff that doesn't make a difference in the real world?
 
On an "Peace Offering" for both sides after 22 pages of WAR, if some of you manually range in your reticle as a backup plan in case your expensive rangefinder ever goes down. Both MOA and MIL reticles can use this in their formulas for a cheat sheet. The 308 Win works very good with a MIL reticle.

Game animals: belly to back (estimates)
30" large trophy bull elk
25" cow elk, smaller bull elk
18" large deer
16" normal deer
14" antelope

Varmints:
25" coyote, foot to top of back
12" large alpha coyote belly to back, large prairie dog foot to top of head
10" normal coyote belly to back / normal prairie dog foot to top head
9" fox belly to back

Example since a lot of you use MIL, optics, distance in yards:
Formula: Inches * 27.778 / MIL reading in reticle = distance in yards
MIL values reading in reticle 50yd ranging increments, split difference for 25yd value:

MIL Animals reticle.JPG
 
You always ask and I must always provide you an answer. I am subservient to you.

If you have something to share, then share it.
Remind me again what you've shared please.

I apparently missed it among your many questions.
 
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