Is poaching truly this prevalent?

[TheGrayRider]

Very interesting book and good read on the international poaching trade. With illegal black market rhinoceros horn at over $45,000 per kilo and elephant ivory at over $100,000 for heavy tusks, the outlook is bleak.

Good luck in the draws and happy hunting to all, TheGrayRider a/k/a Tom.

 

[limpet]

I thinks it’s way more prevalent than most people think. In my teens and early 20’s I worked at a sporting goods store and the shit people will brag about to random strangers behind the counter is mind boggling. I was showing a guy 22mags when I asked if he wanted to see any 17’s his response was “nope. You ever had a deer stand up in the bed of your truck?”. Another time a group of people from a certain group known for poaching came in looking for 20 gauge goose loads so I showed them what I had and then they saw the #4 lead buck and decided that was the better option. I’ve had other guys look at cheap rifle and discuss how it’ll be a great rifle to ditch if they need to. The list goes on and on.

 

[Nine Banger]

What are the biggest actual issues besides what is easy for us to fixate on ie. killing too many does from the ungulate species? Deer...they are ubiquitous and not rare even if some humans are taking too many.

Abalone?

Bear gall bladder?

I used to do a lot of reptile stuff in another life and all illegal collecting combined probably doesn't have any more affect than 1 or 2 days of road mortality except for rare species that live in vulnerable micro habitat.

 

[WannaBeRambo]

In Florida, Georgia, poaching is very common. In Florida where the deer are smaller what I see appears to be subsistence hunting. I saw a few of them and they didn’t look like they really could even afford a hunting license. Scraggly, bad teeth, tattered clothes. They use rimfire and also take unlimited hogs and ignore seasons and property boundaries to recover game. Some have a reputation for intimidating other hunters to avoid completion.

 

[Bubblehide]

I've seen alot of it. What gets me is the amount of people that think they can get away with it infront of other people.

 

[WannaBeRambo]

What are the biggest actual issues besides what is easy for us to fixate on ie. killing too many does from the ungulate species? Deer...they are ubiquitous and not rare even if some humans are taking too many.

Abalone?

Bear gall bladder?

I used to do a lot of reptile stuff in another life and all illegal collecting combined probably doesn't have any more affect than 1 or 2 days of road mortality except for rare species that live in vulnerable micro habitat.

The seasons and quotas are derived from field observations, tags, etc so that means fewer observations will lead to fewer tags for legit hunters. So unfair to start.
Second, its theft of taxpayer resources, same as illegal logging, or building a home in a national park. It takes away from others.
Deer are NOT everywhere, there can be a hard winter die off of animals and development is encroaching on wildlife just about everywhere reducing the lands ability to hold game. The whole point of regulation is to ensure there will be something to hunt in the future. Poaching takes away from that. We have nearly wiped out pronghorn, turkey, ducks, most different deer species, bison and many species of birds with nice plumes for hats at some point in our nation’s history through unregulated hunting.

Personally, I’d like to see mandatory prison time for poaching as well as seizure of all assets related to the crime, take his gun, his truck ATV and seize it and sell at sheriffs auction to offset the damage.

 

[Pilsner]

That's such a BS excuse, but unfortunately very common. People love to act like they're the special exception and none of the rules apply to them.

I think that someone hungry would shoot the first 6 or 8 deer that they saw not only 8 pt or better bucks...

 

[Nine Banger]

Why doesn't a permitting agency manage subsistence hunting and have applicants apply for permits that require validating their special needs and then set guidelines for their opportunities to take game out of season, like a landowner quota for regular hunting or depredation permits.

 

[Nine Banger]

Deer are NOT everywhere

That makes sense. I live in the southeast where deer poaching probably doesn't matter, even though its rude as hell, dangerous, and illegal.

An example of poaching that may matter here is The Spotted Turtle. DNR, due to skill level of their herpetologists were unable to determine if they were rare or not, but there is definitely a market to ship them overseas. So they had to think about it real hard. They ended up restricting access to all non game animals.

What we see back east on the reality shows is abalone and gall bladder.

 

[Neb]

Seems like poaching has always been prevalent, although it seems, at least for western hunting, that the motivations may have changed. From what I've heard from old timers, it seems it was largely subsistence hunting during their time and my early hunting years. I do think some larger animals were taken out of season, but there were more animals and less of a trophy hunting mentality.

Today, it seems to be largely about the trophy. With expanded seasons, weapon specific hunts, etc. it seems like folks are willing to pocket their ethics in order to take that big buck home. The rise of social media seems to encourage mis behavior as well.