Is nothing sacred

[Researcher]

Now that's some interesting logic.

By that logic you would never use any knowledge you didnt directly gain yourself. Please turn in everything you learned in school and everything else you got from reading something. Ever learn how to fix something on youtube nope turn that back in too.

 

[Laramie]

I have found that many times people end up chasing old information... Things change on the mountain regularly. Fires, herd fluctuations, weather, pressure, etc all influence when and where a particular herd may be. For this reason I'm generally not too concerned if something is shared in one of my areas.

 

[AG8]

IMO you are giving out information that does not belong to you.

I have to disagree with you there. It’s an ethics question for sure, but your thoughts are in fact yours to do with as you please. This is what the whole idea of intellectual property is. Now, weather you found a spot on your own or were told about it by another definitely adds to the ethical mix. But, starting with the first amendment and onward, what is in your own head definitely DOES belong to you.

 

[Marble]

I only share hunting location info with people I am actually hunting with. I don't blast it out here or anywhere else. Via PMs,I have discussed a little bit with people who already hunt where I do. But I dont share. Ive been burned.

I've been spotting and had people walk right behind me and the start spotting and watching g the same herd I was. Even had the guts to ask how to get there.

I'm not going to crap away the hard work, time and effort my entire hunting group has collectively put together to help us kill shit.

 

[Gila]

It is a matter of common sense. Just because you found a spot to hunt on public lands doesn't mean you own it. What gives you the right to profit from it? Because when you share that info you are taking away from someone else, reducing their opportunity. Like I said before, get out and scout. That is a big part of hunter ethics and the hunt in general. If you are a DIY on public lands scouting is the only way to be successful. There are Internet tools that I use to help me find a new spot. But only boots on the ground is going to get it done. There are non-residents who can't scout and I understand that. But that is why there is such a thing as guide services in the first place.

 

[Newtosavage]

I have learned over time that ethics questions are the most useful questions to discuss on internet forums. LOL

 

[Gila]

I have no problems with folks giving out the locations of high fence elk farms....LOL

 

[Life_Feeds_On_Life]

Its called sharing information and its all we do here, No land or space truly belong to anyone as we will all grow old and die someday. Allowing to teaching someone how to be sucessful in their hunt is nothing sacred. Its always good to share.

It's good to share how to do things but not necessarily where. Especially exact locations.

 

[WildernessLocals]

One of my hunting mentors (for lack of a better term) always gave me crap about talking too much. Or giving away too much info I worked hard for. He said you will learn when one of your “buddies” you chatted with is in your spot shooting your bull that you told him was in there.

I keep the discussion to a handful of my closest friends that I can trust.

it would just suck so bad to burn a spot you’ve worked so hard at.

 

[sneaky]

Geez here we go with the non-res blaming again.

Man, last year I hunted a unit in CO and got there 5 days pre-season to scout. On day one and two of scouting, I had not one but TWO locals stop by on the road, start up a convo and by the end of the 30 min (or more) that we spent talking, they had given me leads on 2-3 good spots each, offered me a phone if I needed it and told me I could fill up my water jugs at their place. And they were legit - not planned distractions. All the other non-res's up there were as tight lipped as it gets and would start looking at the ground and kicking rocks as soon as anyone said something about where they'd be hunting.

I shot my buck 90 min. into the season, and traded a quarter for a couple bags of ice at one of those local's places on my way out. He was tickled to death and offered me a free guided fly fishing trip my next time up, which I intend to take him up on.

Some folks on here make it sound like there is always friction between residents and non-res's and I just don't see it. If anything, the folks I meet in CO are a heluva lot friendlier than the folks I meet out in the country 'round here who are always telling stories about that one time 16 years ago they think someone shot one of their cows. LOL.

So, you had one experience like that and you're going to base everything off of that? Got it.

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[Gen273]

I have helped many people find places to hunt, and many have helped me as well. What happened to helping each other without hurting one another?

 

[Newtosavage]

So, you had one experience like that and you're going to base everything off of that? Got it.

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LOL I suppose your glasses are always half empty too.

 

[wytx]

It is a matter of common sense. Just because you found a spot to hunt on public lands doesn't mean you own it. What gives you the right to profit from it? Because when you share that info you are taking away from someone else, reducing their opportunity. Like I said before, get out and scout. That is a big part of hunter ethics and the hunt in general. If you are a DIY on public lands scouting is the only way to be successful. There are Internet tools that I use to help me find a new spot. But only boots on the ground is going to get it done. There are non-residents who can't scout and I understand that. But that is why there is such a thing as guide services in the first place.

I do not agree that scouting is the only way to be successful on a public lands. Have taken many a trip across the state for a week or so without any previous knowledge of an area and been successful, out of state as well.
Having knowledge of the game your hunting helps insure success.

 

[RyanCmns]

I didn’t start this to watch it turn into a huge argument. This forum is to help others and bs with others who are passionate about hunting! I get nonresidents can’t put in the same amount of work and for many it might be a once in a lifetime kind of deal I just think naming specific spots on an open forum is ridiculous! If you want to help someone that’s great but why not give them a starting point ( trail head via PM ) and let them work it out after that? If they wind up being successful after that I’d venture to say it would be even more meaningful


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[JPD350]

Yep I blame the internet, TV shows and keyboard jockeys for the ease of finding an area to hunt which both came on in the 90's!

Like someone else alluded to, from the 50's to the 90's magazines were the main general public avenue for information on hunting units, terrain, how to, stories, pick one up read it and start dreaming of one day hunting there. Fast forward to the internet age from the late 90's to present and you have exploded the information highway like an atomic bomb.

Between 1980 to present approximately 250,000 people added to the Abq population, lots more when you add SF and LC to the NM total and that is why it is hard to draw a resident tag. So the population of NR's also grew across the board (all states) and the internet information highway led to a massive want for NR hunting in other states, no need to buy a magazine anymore. My point of posting this is even though the R/NR population grew a lot the tags issued stayed somewhat stable or decreased in some instances meaning the amount of hunters in the field hasn't changed much, whats changed is the ability for people to get the information on where to go, give an ant one grain of sugar and soon you'll have a bunch of ants looking for a grain of sugar in the same location as the first ant, since the 90's the sugar hit the internet fan. Also since the 90's tv shows had a huge impact as well, couple them with the information highway and there you have it, easy information and instant gratification, for some a detriment and for others just the way it is.

This is why I see the internet as a detriment in regards to all of my good hunting spots that I have worked hard to find but I learned that I needed to adapt and accept things I can't control, so I use the internet like everyone else and I'll help someone every once in a while. I still get bothered when there are ants all over the spot I want to hunt but the good thing is that I know my backyard better than the other ants.

 

[notradame]

It's good to share how to do things but not necessarily where. Especially exact locations.

Like the OP said it should be an aurgument or debate. i think its a matter of value.

 

[JPD350]

I didn’t start this to watch it turn into a huge argument. This forum is to help others and bs with others who are passionate about hunting! I get nonresidents can’t put in the same amount of work and for many it might be a once in a lifetime kind of deal I just think naming specific spots on an open forum is ridiculous! If you want to help someone that’s great but why not give them a starting point ( trail head via PM ) and let them work it out after that? If they wind up being successful after that I’d venture to say it would be even more meaningful


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LOL it's the internet, it's always an argument/debate

I have seen it over and over, a NR gets some info and they promise to keep it for themselves, they go on their hunt and in a year or so you see them replying to another post saying PM me I hunted it and don't mind sharing, you know darn well he is sharing what you told him and everything else he found "found only because of the shared trailhead" and that is the problem, he shares everything he found which becomes more than just sharing a trailhead and the next person gets info well beyond the trailhead and before you know it the shared trailhead becomes a shared network of the whole area.

I have shared plenty to NR's and will share again, I have also been on the receiving end a few times, all I can say is that if someone told me about a trailhead I would "never" tell someone else anything about what I learned based on the knowledge that was given to me and that is the message that needs to be spread along with not posting specifics openly.

 

[Gila]

I think it has been a good discussion. Some good points given by folks. There is nothing wrong with different perspectives. I will say that there are some great e-scouting tools out there. I became weary of hand calculating the NM draw odds and success ratios. Spending a few dollars a month for those tools has saved me tons of time and money.

 

[3darcher2]

You cant compare today to the golden years. Its like saying 2+2 = a bushel of apples. In the golden years there were like 10 people living in western states not named California. Of course you didnt run into anyone hunting, there was no one to even run into. All the western states have seen huge population growth. Idaho, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Arizona and all the others.

This may come as a shock to some of you. Maybe shock isn’t the right word. The West doesn’t have the market cornered on population growth. Or urban sprawl. Or hunting opportunities drying up. 25 years ago used to be able to hunt a dozen private places in PA by Pittsburgh for whitetails at any time. I’m now down to my spread of 8 acres and a friends farm an hour away of 85 acres. People leasing hunting land was unheard of here 15 years ago. Now it’s 30 or 40 bucks an acre a year or more. Public land can be ridiculously pressured. Imagine a 300 acre WMA with 20 cars at the parking lot.

I’ve no doubt the West different now than it was in 1980. Let’s just say that’s not a western phenomenon.

 

[notradame]

It's amazing what a person can accomplish with public internet posts. I know of ruined areas for sure but I also know of a few that have been very negatively reported on that are still pretty dang good. Do some intentionally post incorrect information to steer people away from their preferred spots? You can bet on it. Online info should be taken with a grain of salt and people should put in the work to verify.

I get you point but i don't know why someone have to post false/wrong information. share if you want and stay quiet if you got a little secret...Why post wrong info in the first place ?