Irish goodbyes

[Fitzwho]

Closest to an Irish Goodbye I have done was my last job. I was a manager and had all the required paperwork for somebody leaving the company. I printed out my own copies, had them filled out and ready to go. Boss came back from lunch and I heard him complaining that he had left his phone at the house. I walked into his office and said "you're in luck, you can have mine." (company cell) and handed him all the signed paperwork, etc. Definitely not a full IGB, since I walked around the entire facility and high-fived a couple people I liked before I left. Should have left sooner because the president of the company was able to catch me on the phone before I got out.

Have had a few shop hands just ghost out, but in general I try to keep any place I work, NOT a toxic environment. At least for people below me, even when it is a toxic work environment for me with the upper management.

 

[Yoder]

Only a fast food job. I just graduated Tech School and I got a job offer making twice my wage, with full benefits and a relocation package. I stopped by the place that night and said I quit. They actually asked if I could stay and work that night. I wasn't even scheduled. I started laughing and left.

 

[JeffRaines]

Two-week notices really need to be a thing of the past. Terminations/layoffs from the employer are typically immediate. It should be a 2-way street or not at all.

I'm not saying I disagree with you(I dont), but to play devils advocate for a bit...

In a lot of termination situations I've seen, the person had it coming. Their work was subpar, they had attendance issues, there was some factor they were in control of that affected their termination. In these situations, they were written up multiple times. If that's not notice I dont know what is. I feel like if it were me in that situation, I'd either consider another field altogether or at least start looking for work as soon as I got that first write up. Chances are they're not writing you up for fun, they're looking to get rid of you.

Another layoff situation I seen was during the beginning of covid. The shop I worked for at the time got DEAD. I mean they were having guys deep clean the whole shop because most stuff was either waiting on parts or just wasn't coming in the door at all. Some guys got laid off because of it. This is another situation where I felt the writing was on the wall, how can a place keep paying you when they're not making any money? The only reason my butthole didn't pucker was because I was on a crew that serviced and kept "essential" things running. While our work was also slow, it wasn't nearly as bad as those guys.

Now on the other hand, in the case of things like corporate layoffs and whatnot... I agree with you. It's totally a double standard - they expect you to give them a 2 week notice when you're leaving, but they can just lay you off with no notice whatsoever.

 

[wind gypsy]

When you have a team around/under you made up of people you care about it's pretty easy to justify a 2 week notice to help those folks transition. If one doesn't work in a small industry where a slighted name may impact future work or if you dont have good people that are going to be negatively impacted by no transition, sure it seems appropriate.

My last job transition when leaving for a competitor they let me go a week earlier than the end date I gave em.

 

[Fowl Play]

I did the complete opposite on my last job. Worked there for close to 15 years. I gave management a 3 MONTH notice as everyone was overworked, I knew it was going to take a while to replace me, and it’s a small industry (did not want to burn any bridges). Even with the heads up, I was still pulling 60-70 hour weeks till the end to make sure all my projects were properly handed off.

A week before I leave, I’m sitting in a large meeting with all the project managers and exec staff giving updates. One project manager just begins trashing me — blaming her wildly over budget and over schedule project all on me. I stand up from the back of the room and she just goes white. I proceed to say something along the lines of “if you’re planning to lie and use me as a fall guy, it would have been good to double check my exit date — so I wasn’t here to defend myself!” That meeting and the last week were UGLY. She was caught in a blatant lie and went nuclear to defend herself. I went nuclear in return with clearly documented emails to preserve my respect at the company. Overall, anyone that really mattered to me I’m still good with and they respected the fact that I gave them so much time and still worked like a dog all the way till the end.

But overall lesson was some people just suck and maybe the Irish goodbye would have been better

 

[7mm-08]

I did the complete opposite on my last job. Worked there for close to 15 years. I gave management a 3 MONTH notice as everyone was overworked, I knew it was going to take a while to replace me, and it’s a small industry (did not want to burn any bridges). Even with the heads up, I was still pulling 60-70 hour weeks till the end to make sure all my projects were properly handed off.

A week before I leave, I’m sitting in a large meeting with all the project managers and exec staff giving updates. One project manager just begins trashing me — blaming her wildly over budget and over schedule project all on me. I stand up from the back of the room and she just goes white. I proceed to say something along the lines of “if you’re planning to lie and use me as a fall guy, it would have been good to double check my exit date — so I wasn’t here to defend myself!” That meeting and the last week were UGLY. She was caught in a blatant lie and went nuclear to defend herself. I went nuclear in return with clearly documented emails to preserve my respect at the company. Overall, anyone that really mattered to me I’m still good with and they respected the fact that I gave them so much time and still worked like a dog all the way till the end.

But overall lesson was some people just suck and maybe the Irish goodbye would have been better

Wow, bet that project manager will remember that experience for the rest of her life.

 

[realunlucky]

Saw this some where and that it was prefect fit in the thread.

Sorry for your loss card is classic.

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[Reburn]

In a lot of termination situations I've seen, the person had it coming. Their work was subpar, they had attendance issues, there was some factor they were in control of that affected their termination. In these situations, they were written up multiple times.

This. Most people dont have an ounce of self reflection in them but pounds of self deception. All the crappy employees I have seen get tossed from companies all say the same thing. This place is gonna fail without me. I have never seen a company actually fail first hand yet from a single employee departure.

Now on the other hand, in the case of things like corporate layoffs and whatnot... I agree with you. It's totally a double standard - they expect you to give them a 2 week notice when you're leaving, but they can just lay you off with no notice whatsoever.

To play devils advocate. If a company over 100 plans to lay off 50 or more people they have to post a WARN notice. Its a federal law. Yes some companies try to find ways around this. Also if you get laid off you are entitled unemployment in most states. While its not alot it is something. The only way I know of getting out of paying unemployment is to write the employee up 3 times. If that is the case see the statement above.

 

[Yooper]

This. Most people dont have an ounce of self reflection in them but pounds of self deception. All the crappy employees I have seen get tossed from companies all say the same thing. This place is gonna fail without me. I have never seen a company actually fail first hand yet from a single employee departure.

We just had this happen at my work as well. "You have no idea what I do here that saves this company's ass every day!" Those were the last few words of an employee who was actually retiring but felt he needed to go out with a bang. The kind of guy that wants the company to fail once they leave. He's been gone for over 7 months now and we're still looking for the things he did to save the company.

 

[lintond]

I’ve had people give months of notice (long distance move) & we’ve let them work until the end because there was trust and respect.

The worst was a guy who just ghosted us. We were genuinely concerned for his health and were getting the sheriff to do a welfare check. I think we finally got a cryptic text from his mom or something. Never did find out the story…Maybe he was in jail

In general I live by the rule of treat others as you want to be treated and it’s served me well.


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[Jamie930]

It takes all my being every single day not to write "2 week notice" on a post it note that goes on our president's office door.
Per our handbook, in order to receive PTO payout a two-week notice is required.

In most state that is illegal and if they don't pay out PTO I would call the state labor board

 

[longspeak74]

unfortunately, I'm in for the long haul here

 

[flyfisher117]

Never Irish goodbyed an employer. Never had that shitty of a job. I did try and Irish goodbye coworkers after one of my summer jobs. Not because I hated them but because I was going to miss them.

 

[rayporter]

luck was with me most of my working life. i never had the need to tell them to take this job and shove it.

i had one horrible boss for about 10 months and after following us around with a stop watch he decided to shut up. doing things strictly by the book resulted in a lot less work accomplished.

 

[BRTreedogs]

If I make it to retirement I plan to Irish goodbye.
Submit all my paperwork, keep it really quiet.
And head home on my last day pretending everything is normal.

Yeah goodbye, take care, see ya next week.
Then toss my phone out the window on the way home.

 

[Billinsd]

I dated a girl for a while that was the Queen of Minnesota Goodbyes.

Isn’t that where the host keeps offering the guests more food and coffee, urging them not to leave?

 

[JeffRaines]

If a company over 100 plans to lay off 50 or more people they have to post a WARN notice.

I tried to find more information on this but couldn't - yeah they post a notice but do they have to give the employees their planning to lay off notice as well? Or is this just a piece of paper next to the other stuff on the wall just stating they plan on laying off x amount of people on x date?

Either way, if they decide they're only laying off 49 people they don't have to post ish or give any notice whatsoever.

 

[Lowedown]

Great story from a friend who worked for a "fishing" crew in the Oil Well industry (they charge companies $2000-$20,000 to retrieve problem items that have gone down a well hole).
They were on a $10,000 job to retrieve a pipe wrench from down well. When the wrench came out the well foreman asked "who's wrench is this?" A worker spoke up that it was his and the foreman fired him right there...the worker quietly walked past the well hole and dropped the wrench back down it!

 

[fngTony]

Great story from a friend who worked for a "fishing" crew in the Oil Well industry (they charge companies $2000-$20,000 to retrieve problem items that have gone down a well hole).
They were on a $10,000 job to retrieve a pipe wrench from down well. When the wrench came out the well foreman asked "who's wrench is this?" A worker spoke up that it was his and the foreman fired him right there...the worker quietly walked past the well hole and dropped the wrench back down it!

That’s awesome, even the foreman had to have some respect for that move.

 

[Reburn]

I tried to find more information on this but couldn't - yeah they post a notice but do they have to give the employees their planning to lay off notice as well? Or is this just a piece of paper next to the other stuff on the wall just stating they plan on laying off x amount of people on x date?

Either way, if they decide they're only laying off 49 people they don't have to post ish or give any notice whatsoever.

Here you go sir.

WARN Act Compliance Assistance

www.dol.gov

Yes there is way around it if they want to be crafty. Normally newspapers will pick it up when a warn notice is filed. Being local to Dell I have read / seen a bunch of them.