Insert Glue

[MattB]

I'm the opposite........I NEVER want those suckers to come out once I put them in. I've had way too many hotmelted inserts come out of my arrows for my liking......and usually inside a target.

For HIT's I use the 24 hour epoxy, for regular inserts I use Gorilla Super Glue. I've never had a HIT come out, even hitting something extremely hard........but I have had some Super Glue ones pop loose on hard hits.

Question: if you damage an insert, which happens to me with some frequency, do you just make that a practice arrow? I am not suggesting there is a "right" way - to each their own - but I look at inserts like tires or brake pads (a wear part) and the last thing I want is for them to be permanently affixed.

 

[dangerousD]

Question: if you damage an insert, which happens to me with some frequency, do you just make that a practice arrow? I am not suggesting there is a "right" way - to each their own - but I look at inserts like tires or brake pads (a wear part) and the last thing I want is for them to be permanently affixed.

For me I mostly shoot HIT inserts with epoxy and never had one come out so damage isn't really a worry. I can't say I've damaged many standard inserts and if I did it usually jacked up the arrow too so it goes to the trash or kids' arrow bin.

 

[JG358]

Hot melt, because I want to be able to take out if I want or need to.

Same here.

 

[5MilesBack]

For me I mostly shoot HIT inserts with epoxy and never had one come out so damage isn't really a worry. I can't say I've damaged many standard inserts and if I did it usually jacked up the arrow too so it goes to the trash or kids' arrow bin.

Ditto. I can't really remember ever damaging an insert that didn't ruin an arrow as well. I'd rather have arrows that keep the insert in than have to constantly wonder if they stayed in every time I shoot them. From my experience it didn't take much to dislodge the hotmelt inserts. But I have broken arrows where I wanted to get the super glued insert out, and still gotten those out with heating a field point or an 8/32's threaded rod.

And I consider the insert to be part of the permanent arrow when I put them together. They stay together for the life of that arrow. Nocks and fletching are my "tires and brake pads", and they get replaced frequently because of damage. But on the other hand, I just changed out my brakes for the first time on my 25 year old Toyota truck this past year, and the rears are still original with plenty of pad left. So maybe brake pads are a bad example for me.

 

[MattB]

Ditto. I can't really remember ever damaging an insert that didn't ruin an arrow as well. I'd rather have arrows that keep the insert in than have to constantly wonder if they stayed in every time I shoot them. From my experience it didn't take much to dislodge the hotmelt inserts. But I have broken arrows where I wanted to get the super glued insert out, and still gotten those out with heating a field point or an 8/32's threaded rod.

Interesting commentary. Prior to assembly I thoroughly cleaning the inside of the shaft with 99% IPA and virtually never have inserts pull out. I have even had instances where I *wished* the insert would pull out (i.e. arrow stuck in a 2x4 target frame) but wouldn't. There have been a couple of instances where have hit somethihng really hard to where the arrow bounced back at me and the insert has partially backed out (~1/8"), but a little heat allowed me to quikcly re-seat it.

My Carbon tech arrows have the traditional inserts and the shoulders can get dinged up over time due to debris in targets, shooting judos into the dirt, etc. to where a BH won't spin with them. I personally like the option of quickly swapping inserts, as the new ons spin like a top 95%+ of the time.

If I used an insert system like HIT I might look at a different adhesive.

 

[Rolo]

Hot/cold melt or the black stuff from AAE, depending on the arrows. Never had an insert pull out with the black stuff, and inserts can be heated and removed with it...even HITS.

 

[elkeaterco]

I have been really happy with Goldtip glue. I use it for everything and it's insanely strong. I just used it to glue a antler back on a dead head. Awesome stuff!

 

[elkeaterco]

Fletchtite platinum is crap!!!

 

[dangerousD]

Fletchtite platinum is crap!!!

Yup, I hate that stuff!

 

[Rolo]

Fletchtite platinum is crap!!!

I like it for feathers.

 

[5MilesBack]

My Carbon tech arrows have the traditional inserts and the shoulders can get dinged up over time due to debris in targets, shooting judos into the dirt, etc. to where a BH won't spin with them. I personally like the option of quickly swapping inserts, as the new ons spin like a top 95%+ of the time.

Once I identify my hunting arrows.........those only get shot with BH's during hunting season. The rest of the year I shoot the ones that didn't make the hunting cut. So, don't really care if those break or get damaged or whatever. But I've been using the same dozen now for the past 6 years.......hunting and shooting, and I'll probably shoot between 10-15k arrows a year. And actually there's not much difference between my hunting arrows and regular arrows.........just that the hunting ones seemed to group best every single time I shot them.

 

[MattB]

It is really impressive that you have been able to stretch a dozen arrows to an average of 5,000 shots each without losing them, breaking them or suffering excessive spine degradation. I probably lose or break 3-5 arrows a year between hunting and target shooting.

 

[dangerousD]

Once I identify my hunting arrows.........those only get shot with BH's during hunting season. The rest of the year I shoot the ones that didn't make the hunting cut. So, don't really care if those break or get damaged or whatever. But I've been using the same dozen now for the past 6 years.......hunting and shooting, and I'll probably shoot between 10-15k arrows a year. And actually there's not much difference between my hunting arrows and regular arrows.........just that the hunting ones seemed to group best every single time I shot them.

That's a good point and something I do also is pick the ones that for whatever reason seem to group the best and give me the most confidence. I use those for my hunting arrows. Each arrow gets a number so I can track its performance.

Nice job shooting 10-15k arrows a year!! I probably don't get that many. Never thought about it too much but I may be on par with that if I factor in compound and traditional shooting. At least 8-10k range. Still a fair bit of shooting! My practices always vary and I try for quality shots each time and never just go out to fling arrows just for the purpose of shooting, which I'm sure is the same for you. Some days I may just send one arrow from each distance from 10 to 100 yards and repeat.

 

[Tim M]

For you guys running HIT inserts, what are you using? I only see mention of the HIT's in a couple posts and it was with epoxy. I've only used the 24hr epoxy with my HIT's but curious if you are using some of the other cyanoacrylate style of glues with them also? I have used Goat Tuff, Loctite (blue), Bohning Fletch Tite Platinum, and Gorilla impact tough on fletching and by far my favorite is the Gorilla with Loctite being 2nd. Would be nice if this worked equally well on inserts but I haven't been brave enough to try it.

DD check out Easton's new glue, called Dr. Dougs insert glue, I have been using it on my HIT inserts for my Injexions and have been very impressed since I got my sample bottle a little over a year ago.

 

[J-Daddy]

DD check out Easton's new glue, called Dr. Dougs insert glue, I have been using it on my HIT inserts for my Injexions and have been very impressed since I got my sample bottle a little over a year ago.

Is that Eastons version of a super glue for inserts??? I picked up a tiny little bottle a few weeks ago at Scheels, I don't remember any Dr. Doug's stuff on it but I know Easton makes it, it's for inserts & says it's ok for HIT inserts...

 

[5MilesBack]

It is really impressive that you have been able to stretch a dozen arrows to an average of 5,000 shots each without losing them, breaking them or suffering excessive spine degradation. I probably lose or break 3-5 arrows a year between hunting and target shooting.

I'll tell you what, these TR Crush 300's have been almost indestructible with HIT inserts.....very strong. I've flattened a few tips, but haven't broken many at all. I did lose one of my hunting arrows last year that went through a cow. Steel downhill and I never did find it. In 2012 I shot at a chipmunk up on a small branch about 2 feet off the ground in a meadow with tall grass with a judo point, and never found that stupid arrow either. I thought the judo's were supposed to keep the arrow from burying. It was mid-afternoon and HOT and I wasn't near any of my known wallows so I even spent 2 hours looking for it. I tend to just break nocks and put holes in fletching while practicing or target shooting.

 

[charvey9]

Depends on the arrow/ insert type. I still like the HP inserts, and prefer the bohning cool melt. I screw the insert on an old broadhead, hit it for 2 seconds with a portable torch, and then the stick melts easily on contact with the insert.

 

[sneaky]

DD check out Easton's new glue, called Dr. Dougs insert glue, I have been using it on my HIT inserts for my Injexions and have been very impressed since I got my sample bottle a little over a year ago.

Is this the replacement for their Quick Hit insert glue? I used to use it for HIT installation but can't find it anymore. I use Tip Grip from Gold Tip for most of my fletching and insert installs. Works fine. The stuff I think is absolute crap is that Cool Flex nonsense from Bohning. Works ok for nock bushings but that's about it.

 

[Dapper]

I use epoxy. Doesn't come out or loose unless you want them to. Ever want an insert out, get a steel shaft just smaller than your shafts inside diameter and about 5-6 inches long. Take the nock off, insert this piece into the shaft and while wearing a glove, hold a finger over the open nock end and make strong jack hammer motions up and down. The impact from the steel piece will eventually break the glues bond and the insert will come out. Sometimes it might be a chore, but it will come out, on real stubborn ones, swinging the shaft like a baseball bat, starting with the steel shaft up by the nock end. Just make sure you are not doing this around a window or anything that could break if the insert lets loose.

Dan

 

[Tim M]

Is this the replacement for their Quick Hit insert glue? I used to use it for HIT installation but can't find it anymore. I use Tip Grip from Gold Tip for most of my fletching and insert installs. Works fine. The stuff I think is absolute crap is that Cool Flex nonsense from Bohning. Works ok for nock bushings but that's about it.

Yes it is their replacement, it will say easton on the outside of the bottle and the glue itself is orange in color. I have been using it for quite some time now and have been very impressed with it, the HIT epoxy was always a PITA and I had some problems with it breaking loose over the years. One thing I will say about this stuff is that it really sets up FAST!