If You're Wanting to Come Hunt in Montana.....

[Deadfall]

Outfitter welfare is bogus plain and simple. If you're a good reputable outfitter you shouldn't have a problem having plenty of clients, especially with general tags.

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Any idea how much outfitters have to pay in fees? The reputable ones do have plenty of clients, unless they don't draw...

Outfitters are just like construction contractors. Some are good, some aren't.

Private land is different story alltogether. Theres no oversight or fees to pay by the owner.

 

[Chad E]

Idaho; "We sure put the boots to nonresident DIY hunters this year".

Montana; "Hold my beer".

 

[Chordeiles]

I keep seeing all this stuff about mom and pop stores loosing revenue if less NR hunters come in. From what I see and hear most are shopping big box anyway. Stop at cabelas or wherever on way. Buying food from Walmart or Sam's.

What little businesses are benefitting? Bars. Maybe stop and have a couple dinners somewhere. Woo.....hoo....

Someone asked on the other post if hunting another state if I'm ok having to go with someone else. Yap I am. Hunting in Wyoming I have too have a resident of some form with me to hunt wilderness. Guess if I dont like wyoming rules I dont have too hunt in Wyoming.
Same is true in this.

Maybe in the western part of the state, but in the eastern part, I would bet that there are waaay more hunters staying in motels, eating in diners and shopping in small town grocery stores.

In the 90s, when we first started going out, you could wait until you got there to book a motel room. Now if you don’t book BEFORE the draw, you’ll more than likely be camping.

 

[Sadler]

I don't understand the sentiment that supports this, it is public land most of it owned federally. I understand it is in your home state but Why do residents bash so frequently on the NRs out west?

Seems like a lot of "public land owners" truly think that means you own the public land and are more entitled to it by virtue of zip code then others are.

I understand not helping out with spots and such let the NR do their own footwork. No reason to be asinine about it though. I have no problem having non-residents in my state and a few of my honey holes I won't show but if someone stumbles upon them why be upset? They pay good revenue to the DNR and support the local businesses when they come in, if anything it makes it more challenging of a hunt to get further in to have solitude.

Understand being upset if I see something unethical being done, but no more upset than if it was a resident doing the same thing.

This seems pretty accurate

 

[wind gypsy]

I don't understand the sentiment that supports this, it is public land most of it owned federally. I understand it is in your home state but Why do residents bash so frequently on the NRs out west?

Seems like a lot of "public land owners" truly think that means you own the public land and are more entitled to it by virtue of zip code then others are.

I understand not helping out with spots and such let the NR do their own footwork. No reason to be asinine about it though. I have no problem having non-residents in my state and a few of my honey holes I won't show but if someone stumbles upon them why be upset? They pay good revenue to the DNR and support the local businesses when they come in, if anything it makes it more challenging of a hunt to get further in to have solitude.

Understand being upset if I see something unethical being done, but no more upset than if it was a resident doing the same thing.

Most folks who have made some sacrifices to live somewhere for the hunting opportunities understand why residents don’t like seeing growing numbers of non-residents diminishing a large part of why they chose to live where they do. It’s just how it is and should be easy to understand.

I don’t begrudge MT residents for wanting less pressure from folks like me on public land. I’d just like to see it done in a better manner than wholesale outfitter welfare.

 

[hcaudle]

Outfitters are just like construction contractors. Some are good, some aren't.

Exactly. If my water heater goes out, shouldn’t I have the option of replacing it myself, instead of being forced to hire a “professional” to do it for me? Same situation with outfitters.

 

[Deadfall]

Exactly. If my water heater goes out, shouldn’t I have the option of replacing it myself, instead of being forced to hire a “professional” to do it for me? Same situation with outfitters.

Yap. And yu do

 

[Deadfall]

Maybe in the western part of the state, but in the eastern part, I would bet that there are waaay more hunters staying in motels, eating in diners and shopping in small town grocery stores.

In the 90s, when we first started going out, you could wait until you got there to book a motel room. Now if you don’t book BEFORE the draw, you’ll more than likely be camping.

Perhaps

 

[Deadfall]

As for the access stuff...well we had better access 10 years ago then we do now. Dont believe me. Just go talk to locals in the helena area.
White sulfur, augusta, Lincoln, list goes on.

 

[Deadfall]

Government keeps selling public land. Go fight that

 

[hcaudle]

Yap. And yu do

Perhaps. I suppose it would be more specific to say “I do,” if I could find one of the 40% of water heaters marked “DIY” acceptable, as opposed to only being able to find one of the remaining 60% stamped “professional install only.” And they are the exact same make/model water heater. Unnecessary government involvement only ever helps the chosen/intended few, and it is always at the expense of the masses.

 

[Deadfall]

Perhaps. I suppose it would be more specific to say “I do,” if I could find one of the 40% of water heaters marked “DIY” acceptable, as opposed to only being able to find one of the remaining 60% stamped “professional install only.” And they are the exact same make/model water heater. Unnecessary government involvement only ever helps the chosen/intended few, and it is always at the expense of the masses.

Mmmm. Then to a professional will do a cleaner faster job then a home owner, and that install is covered by insurance if anything goes wrong. Of course the professional will charge more. The professional also has to pay insurance, license, upkeep. Continued education and so on.
FYI I work on homes as my trade. Thank God for diy folks, they keep me employed.

 

[hcaudle]

Mmmm. Then to a professional will do a cleaner faster job then a home owner, and that install is covered by insurance if anything goes wrong. Of course the professional will charge more. The professional also has to pay insurance, license, upkeep. Continued education and so on.
FYI I work on homes as my trade. Thank God for diy folks, they keep me employed.

Ahh. So it’s for their own good. I understand now.

 

[Wvroach]

Most folks who have made some sacrifices to live somewhere for the hunting opportunities understand why residents don’t like seeing growing numbers of non-residents diminishing a large part of why they chose to live where they do. It’s just how it is and should be easy to understand.

I don’t begrudge MT residents for wanting less pressure from folks like me on public land. I’d just like to see it done in a better manner than wholesale outfitter welfare.

The ones driving 36 hours and planning for months that pay 10x the rate don't sacrifice time and money and put in the work on a crunched timeframe either right?

I don't begrudge residents either if I wanted to move I would, I'll choose to stay where I'm at for now. If and when I move I'm sure I won't have the same perspective as they do. I'm not saying people aren't allowed to feel that way or say whatever they want about non residents I don't really care. I do not think non residents are the cause of the declining populations and other issues that many claim.

To each their own I reckon. I just personally don't act like a jerk when a NR is hunting in my state or if I'm in areas I fish a ton and see people struggling I don't mind giving a hand.

 

[dreamingbig]

Deadfall isn’t going to change his mind. Spend the time emailing the state senators of Montana instead. More productive!


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[204guy]

All those red blooded conservative outfitters can't run fast enough to suckle the teat- when it's red.

 

[UpNorth89]

Any idea how much outfitters have to pay in fees? The reputable ones do have plenty of clients, unless they don't draw...

Outfitters are just like construction contractors. Some are good, some aren't.

Private land is different story alltogether. Theres no oversight or fees to pay by the owner.

They were aware of their fees before going into business. They're part of the service industry. Those who provide a good service always have plenty of work to cover their expenses and be profitable without having it handed to them. The ones who provide a poor service and can't get enough clients need to revise their business plan a little.

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[Mt Al]

From what I see and hear most are shopping big box anyway. Stop at cabelas or wherever on way.

Where do you see this? Do you hang out at big box stores during hunting season and look at license plates and check mom and pop shops and do a calculation? When did you see this or hear it? Did you read a report from U of M's BBER on economic trends? Or maybe, just maybe, are you using your bias to blather on an internet forum where being wrong doesn't cost you anything? What are your sources?

This isn't even an economics issue, other than communist economics when friends of politicians get special treatment and guaranteed business.

Government keeps selling public land. Go fight that

Where did this happen in Montana? What public land sold to whom? I honestly would like to know if that's happened in the last 15 years. "Keeps" means they are continuing to do it. Help a guy out.


I get bummed when a public land place I've hunted for a long time and had to myself suddenly has out of state plates and hunters on it, but I'm honestly happy for someone who drove out here and is having the time of their life chasing critters, can't blame anyone.

 

[Deadfall]

Where do you see this? Do you hang out at big box stores during hunting season and look at license plates and check mom and pop shops and do a calculation? When did you see this or hear it? Did you read a report from U of M's BBER on economic trends? Or maybe, just maybe, are you using your bias to blather on an internet forum where being wrong doesn't cost you anything? What are your sources?

This isn't even an economics issue, other than communist economics when friends of politicians get special treatment and guaranteed business.



Where did this happen in Montana? What public land sold to whom? I honestly would like to know if that's happened in the last 15 years. "Keeps" means they are continuing to do it. Help a guy out.


I get bummed when a public land place I've hunted for a long time and had to myself suddenly has out of state plates and hunters on it, but I'm honestly happy for someone who drove out here and is having the time of their life chasing critters, can't blame anyone.

Up hogback/sunshine basin out of helena. Now ties into Galt. All game warden says is hire a helicopter to fly over private to get to public

 

[Deadfall]

Where do you see this? Do you hang out at big box stores during hunting season and look at license plates and check mom and pop shops and do a calculation? When did you see this or hear it? Did you read a report from U of M's BBER on economic trends? Or maybe, just maybe, are you using your bias to blather on an internet forum where being wrong doesn't cost you anything? What are your sources?

This isn't even an economics issue, other than communist economics when friends of politicians get special treatment and guaranteed business.



Where did this happen in Montana? What public land sold to whom? I honestly would like to know if that's happened in the last 15 years. "Keeps" means they are continuing to do it. Help a guy out.


I get bummed when a public land place I've hunted for a long time and had to myself suddenly has out of state plates and hunters on it, but I'm honestly happy for someone who drove out here and is having the time of their life chasing critters, can't blame anyone.

As fr the big box stuff. Just stop and ask. I used to work for a outfitter. Hauled lots and lots of drop camps into wilderness. For a fact everyone bought supplies from a big sporting store, Walmart or Sam's. I know because I asked.

All year long everyone shops for quick easy and cheap. Why would a diy go trying to save money change that program?