Ideas For "Ultralight" Wall Tent Style Shelter. Features you want to see?

[Chris in TN]

I'm a million miles out of my element here and don't want anyone to confuse my posts with those of a guy who knows or understands tents well, but with that out of the way...
How much would the weight penalty be for having a second ceiling layer, or even a third, to reduce air movement and make the tent easier to keep warm?

Here's why I ask:

Some years back we built a barn. We only put a layer of bubble-wrap type insulation in it. Couldn't keep it warm enough to do winter 'farm work' even with a fire blazing in the wood stove. Later we insulated *only the roof* and suddenly it was *easy* to keep it warm.

We eventually insulated the walls too. But just stopping the heat loss from the roof made a world of difference. Heat rises, yo.

So....taking that lesson from my barn and applying it to tents, and having slept in some tents that were COLD when I was much younger - like -30 temps outside and our cooking oil and dishwashing liquid froze, or at least slushed up - if I wanted to build a serious tent for cold weather use, I'd figure out a way to mitigate heat loss through the ceiling. Or maybe figure out it was impossible to do that without too much weight. But I'd at least look at the problem.

 

[MountainTracker]

I’ve used canvas wall tents for many many years with up to eight guys in it. One way we were able to accomplish having so many guys was by having a dedicated wall tent for sleep, the other was for cooking, eating and hanging out in.

We would pair up the two tents end to end, making it a very long setup, with one giant tarp over all of it.

If doable having openings on both ends to be able to connect two for more usable space when needed.


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[bmart2622]

Any updates on this shelter?

 

[txtransplant]

I'm a million miles out of my element here and don't want anyone to confuse my posts with those of a guy who knows or understands tents well, but with that out of the way...
How much would the weight penalty be for having a second ceiling layer, or even a third, to reduce air movement and make the tent easier to keep warm?

Here's why I ask:

Some years back we built a barn. We only put a layer of bubble-wrap type insulation in it. Couldn't keep it warm enough to do winter 'farm work' even with a fire blazing in the wood stove. Later we insulated *only the roof* and suddenly it was *easy* to keep it warm.

We eventually insulated the walls too. But just stopping the heat loss from the roof made a world of difference. Heat rises, yo.

So....taking that lesson from my barn and applying it to tents, and having slept in some tents that were COLD when I was much younger - like -30 temps outside and our cooking oil and dishwashing liquid froze, or at least slushed up - if I wanted to build a serious tent for cold weather use, I'd figure out a way to mitigate heat loss through the ceiling. Or maybe figure out it was impossible to do that without too much weight. But I'd at least look at the problem.

I think you’d get condensation issues.

 

[RyanSeek43]

Hey Everyone! Took us a while but we finally came out with the Bookcliff 8 Person XL. You can fit 4 full sized cots inside with a stove, has a giant rear ventilation system to cut down on condensation, and has a very unique shape that makes it preform extremely well. We even have a rear support pole to add head room and stabilize the shelter in snow and wind. Check it Out! It is live now.

 

[wysongdog]

Are you going to be at the expo to show it?