Idaho NR general tag going to draw?

[Timberline001]

There is a massive difference between registered outfitter and “guide” acquiring tags.
I was in line in December and the first five dudes in line traveling together from Ca were “guides” buying for “clients”. They definitely weren’t outfitters maybe worked for outfitters but didn’t seem like it. They each had 10 plus tags each. After that multiple people in the paying line had $5k charges that’s quit a few NR elk/deer tags

There is a massive difference between registered outfitter and “guide” acquiring tags.
I was in line in December and the first five dudes in line traveling together from Ca were “guides” buying for “clients”. They definitely weren’t outfitters maybe worked for outfitters but didn’t seem like it. They each had 10 plus tags each. After that multiple people in the paying line had $5k charges that’s quit a few NR elk/deer tags

If they don’t work for an outfitter then they’re not a guide in Idaho.

 

[wnelson14]

If they don’t work for an outfitter then they’re not a guide in Idaho.

I understand that, but what’s stopping someone from “taking” a said client on a hunt in Idaho and getting reimbursed for it in some way shape or form. I’m not saying it’s happening or not happening, I’m just stating what I saw and heard inline at the tag sale.

 

[Timberline001]

I understand that, but what’s stopping someone from “taking” a said client on a hunt in Idaho and getting reimbursed for it in some way shape or form. I’m not saying it’s happening or not happening, I’m just stating what I saw and heard inline at the tag sale.

Okay then they’re not getting tags next year? All I said is outfitters are preferring this option over the old system. Those guys obliviously arnt included in that.

 

[87TT]

I think people going to whine no matter what they do. If the whining gets too loud, they should just go back to the current system. NO POINTS EVER!!!!!!!!

 

[Timberline001]

I think people going to whine no matter what they do. If the whining gets too loud, they should just go back to the current system. NO POINTS EVER!!!!!!!!

For sure. People are kidding themselves if they think this leads to holding more Idaho tags. Glad I don’t have to worry about it.

 

[TheTone]

The outfit I’ve worked for here and there didn’t get a single tag last year in the general sale. Outfitters are honestly the most happy about the change from all I’ve talked to.

Let me guess; they’re preparing to go to the commission and any legislator buddies they have and ask for even more allocation?

 

[Timberline001]

Let me guess; they’re preparing to go to the commission and any legislator buddies they have and ask for even more allocation?

You’re kidding yourself if you think the average outfitter has friends on the common and legislation. The majority in Idaho are normal dudes just getting by.

 

[tboltz34]

Ok
I understand what people were doing. Yes they may have had multiple places in line, online, but they were just using the lowest number given to get 1 tag.

What I’m saying is sure, 75k people may have had multiple places in line but it was still 75k for how even many tags.
And I think more like 150 people will be applying for tags.
In a way I can kind of see how you are saying your individual chances may increase because there’s not 75k with multiple browsers open.
But I still think in the end there will be more individual people applying for the same tag.

For instance me.
I never even bothered in 21/22/23 but now that I can apply for a draw I’ll do it every year.

I agree, there will likely be more people applying for the same number of tags. On paper it will be harder to get a tag but that doesn’t explain the entire picture. For people who travel and buy in person (for themself and/or others) the odds of picking up their tags was very high. But the people trying for a get a tag online or over the phone, the odds of grabbing a good tag was next to zero (I’ve had a number less 100 and they were sold out). Therefore the odds of getting a tag for the average person increases but the odds for the in person buying substantially decreases. All this at a sacrifice of having to purchase a $200 license but also having the ability to apply as a group. I’m all for the new system, the old was a nightmare.

 

[Timberline001]

I agree, there will likely be more people applying for the same number of tags. On paper it will be harder to get a tag but that doesn’t explain the entire picture. For people who travel and buy in person (for themself and/or others) the odds of picking up their tags was very high. But the people trying for a get a tag online or over the phone, the odds of grabbing a good tag was next to zero (I’ve had a number less 100 and they were sold out). Therefore the odds of getting a tag for the average person increases but the odds for the in person buying substantially decreases. All this at a sacrifice of having to purchase a $200 license but also having the ability to apply as a group. I’m all for the new system, the old was a nightmare.

Absolutely everyone has the ability to drive or fly to Idaho and get in line. Acting like it wasn’t fair is a crock. If you were willing to make the sacrifices whether it be financially or time related then you got a tag. Now every Jo smo can apply in a minutes from their desk.

 

[HilltopHitman]

There is a massive difference between registered outfitter and “guide” acquiring tags.
I was in line in December and the first five dudes in line traveling together from Ca were “guides” buying for “clients”. They definitely weren’t outfitters maybe worked for outfitters but didn’t seem like it. They each had 10 plus tags each. After that multiple people in the paying line had $5k charges that’s quit a few NR elk/deer tags

My wife was in line for 3 hours trying to get a single deer tag for a family member from Wyoming. There was 3 guys in front of her from Oregon and bought 10+ tags each for their parties… Was ridiculous.

 

[KurtR]

Absolutely everyone has the ability to drive or fly to Idaho and get in line. Acting like it wasn’t fair is a crock. If you were willing to make the sacrifices whether it be financially or time related then you got a tag. Now every Jo smo can apply in a minutes from their desk.

At least it’s just one person applying for there tag not 1 person buying for 10 other people.

 

[Timberline001]

At least it’s just one person applying for there tag not 1 person buying for 10 other people.

Seems like requiring vendors to only sell tags to one person after verifying a drivers license would have been a lot more simple that making a new draw system.

 

[Andrew12gauge]

I heard that, too. I can’t imagine there’s too many units getting picked up on a second choice for elk. They eluded to the possibility of drawing on subsequent choices but I can’t imagine it. Maybe deer units but who knows.

I think there will actually be quite a few 2nd choice elk tags drawn, most guys are going to apply to the top 4 or 5 zones and there are definitely some less desirable zones that will be 2nd or lower on most applications


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[wnelson14]

My wife was in line for 3 hours trying to get a single deer tag for a family member from Wyoming. There was 3 guys in front of her from Oregon and bought 10+ tags each for their parties… Was ridiculous.

I know the feeling Drove 11Hrs was 34th in line and didn’t get the elk tag I wanted for the 3rd year in a row. But hey I got the deer tag and second choice elk tag, so I’m hunting at least.

 

[KurtR]

Seems like requiring vendors to only sell tags to one person after verifying a drivers license would have been a lot more simple that making a new draw system.

Maybe in person but still have people signing in from a bunch of devices. This makes it simple buy the license and apply for the big game tag.

 

[Fullfan]

Absolutely everyone has the ability to drive or fly to Idaho and get in line. Acting like it wasn’t fair is a crock. If you were willing to make the sacrifices whether it be financially or time related then you got a tag. Now every Jo smo can apply in a minutes from their desk.

Correct. It worked for the last 3 years. The first time I was in line for 18 hours, second time it was 40 hours last time it was 144 hours. Two of the times I waited in Line I was first, all three times I was able to get mine and my son's tag.

 

[tboltz34]

Absolutely everyone has the ability to drive or fly to Idaho and get in line. Acting like it wasn’t fair is a crock. If you were willing to make the sacrifices whether it be financially or time related then you got a tag. Now every Jo smo can apply in a minutes from their desk.

Please re-read the message, there was no mention of "wasn't fair". Everyone was is the same situation. I'm not sure where you got "acting like it wasn't fair is a crock".

A good portion of the hunting community is blue collar with a family. It would be very hard for these individuals to fly across the country to pick up a tag. A lot of blue collar jobs do not receive vacation time and family life drive a lot of decisions. I understand your view point on sacrifices but hunting shouldn't be limited to the fortunate weather that is financially or time related. For full disclosure, I'm not blue collar and I don't have kids. I'm in a position that could easily make the trip to Idaho to secure tags for myself and all that I hunt with. However, most people are not like me.

You hit the nail right on the head, "now every Jo smo can apply in a minutes from their desk". This is the reason Idaho made the switch and why every other state has an application period. For the ease of use for their customers.

 

[Timberline001]

Please re-read the message, there was no mention of "wasn't fair". Everyone was is the same situation. I'm not sure where you got "acting like it wasn't fair is a crock".

A good portion of the hunting community is blue collar with a family. It would be very hard for these individuals to fly across the country to pick up a tag. A lot of blue collar jobs do not receive vacation time and family life drive a lot of decisions. I understand your view point on sacrifices but hunting shouldn't be limited to the fortunate weather that is financially or time related. For full disclosure, I'm not blue collar and I don't have kids. I'm in a position that could easily make the trip to Idaho to secure tags for myself and all that I hunt with. However, most people are not like me.

You hit the nail right on the head, "now every Jo smo can apply in a minutes from their desk". This is the reason Idaho made the switch and why every other state has an application period. For the ease of use for their customers.

You’re still saying it wasn’t fair

 

[Timberline001]

Please re-read the message, there was no mention of "wasn't fair". Everyone was is the same situation. I'm not sure where you got "acting like it wasn't fair is a crock".

A good portion of the hunting community is blue collar with a family. It would be very hard for these individuals to fly across the country to pick up a tag. A lot of blue collar jobs do not receive vacation time and family life drive a lot of decisions. I understand your view point on sacrifices but hunting shouldn't be limited to the fortunate weather that is financially or time related. For full disclosure, I'm not blue collar and I don't have kids. I'm in a position that could easily make the trip to Idaho to secure tags for myself and all that I hunt with. However, most people are not like me.

You hit the nail right on the head, "now every Jo smo can apply in a minutes from their desk". This is the reason Idaho made the switch and why every other state has an application period. For the ease of use for their customers.

I’d rather have a tag every year because I put in the effort and made sacrifices than have “ease of use”. I don’t hunt because I like things to be easy.

 

[Teaman1]

Really benefits the people who live around Idaho. Already probably from states with decent elk hunting.
I say this as someone who was planning on going to Idaho this December if they didn’t make changes. Only learned about the in person buying advantage last year.