Idaho NR general tag going to draw?

[sasquatch]

If there ever comes a time for points I hope it’s at least like Montana where you can’t build points forever

It’s [emoji[emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6]]]] years then a restart. Get off the pot or s***


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[OSU]

Points systems are not going anywhere. They may change how they are used but the system is here to stay in any state that has one currently.

Every state that has made a change to the point system has put a larger percentage of tags in the random pool and less tags allocated to those with the most points....

 

[wapitibob]

Every state that has made a change to the point system has put a larger percentage of tags in the random pool and less tags allocated to those with the most points....

Like WY going from 75/25 to 90/10 for S/M ?

OR went from 3% to 5% for limited entry NR random, then moved all the core area unlimited OTC archery Elk units to a draw, which cut the unlimited NR quota down to 5%.

 

[CorbLand]

Every state that has made a change to the point system has put a larger percentage of tags in the random pool and less tags allocated to those with the most points....

Your point? If you gain a point when you don’t draw that is a point system. Doesn’t change it based on how tags are allocated within the system.

States that have point systems are not trying to get rid of them. They are making changes within the point systems they currently have.

 

[IdahoBeav]

Your point? If you gain a point when you don’t draw that is a point system. Doesn’t change it based on how tags are allocated within the system.

It kinda does. The points/lottery split is like a potentiometer. A 90/10 system is much more on the points side than a 75/25 is.

 

[OSU]

OR went from 3% to 5% for limited entry NR random, then moved all the core area unlimited OTC archery Elk units to a draw, which cut the unlimited NR quota down to 5%.

And this was done to burn points and has caused many people to cash in their points so they could get to hunt units that were previously OTC. And in Wyoming the fish and game wanted to go to a bonus point system......

 

[Fullfan]

We shall know by mid-May what will be happening with the 2026 tag sale.

 

[littlebigtine]

Not a state that I interact with people that hunt as much as Idaho. There are plenty of people I have spoken with that are residents of Idaho and although less so, nonresidents that have said they wish Idaho would go to a point system.

Like I said, I hope I am wrong but I do believe that many think the draw will fix the problem and once it is realized it won’t, there will be other solution’s and the forefront of those will be some form of point systems. Not saying it will be tomorrow, next year or in ten but I will bet I see it in my lifetime.

I hope I am wrong.
You have to remember, here on Rokslide we are the minority when it comes to our understanding of other states systems compared to the average hunter. The average hunter doesn’t understand the details many here do. They think that other states point systems are working and they view them as the solution to not drawing.

Honestly if the otc opportunities stay the same, I dont care if controlled hunts go to a points system. Most of those hunts are overrated and are a privateland/outfitter game.
Personally, I wish they just did away with the controlled hunts all together and made it all otc and put in quotas where they deemed necessary. Especially with deer. From a genetic perspective, the general units have better trophy potential than the controlled units so why did we decide to make them the trophy hunts?
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[WRO]

Honestly if the otc opportunities stay the same, I dont care if controlled hunts go to a points system. Most of those hunts are overrated and are a privateland/outfitter game.
Personally, I wish they just did away with the controlled hunts all together and made it all otc and put in quotas where they deemed necessary. Especially with deer. From a genetic perspective, the general units have better trophy potential than the controlled units so why did we decide to make them the trophy hunts?
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Tell us you haven’t drawn a good tag without telling us..


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[wapitibob]

And this was done to burn points and has caused many people to cash in their points so they could get to hunt units that were previously OTC. And in Wyoming the fish and game wanted to go to a bonus point system......

That's some next level, no idea wtf I'm talking about, but I'm gonna post it anyway, nonsense. The reason for the core archery units going to a draw was well documented, as was the WY task force and their meetings, which by the way, isn't the "WY fish and game".

 

[PredatorSlayer]

Good shit. As a lifetime license holder I approve

 

[littlebigtine]

Tell us you haven’t drawn a good tag without telling us..


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theres this religion here in Idaho for residents that believe theres actually bigger deer in otc units than in controlled units. Its called Robby Denning. Ignorance is bliss

 

[IdahoBeav]

The % of in-person sales jumped drastically from '23 to '24, and the number of transactions (number of hunters), items sold, and devices online dropped.
The current system is causing people to lose interest in Idaho. However, the tags are still easily selling out. A draw will make the number of participants go through the roof, and your chances of getting a tag will go way down.

The current system really is the best option.

 

[LFC911]

The % of in-person sales jumped drastically from '23 to '24, and the number of transactions (number of hunters), items sold, and devices online dropped.
The current system is causing people to lose interest in Idaho. However, the tags are still easily selling out. A draw will make the number of participants go through the roof, and your chances of getting a tag will go way down.

The current system really is the best option.

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I wonder why revenue is down $2.5M in 2024/25 vs 2023/24. Did they cut NR tags or give more to R's? Maybe it's down because we haven't had any secondary or turned back tag sales?!?

 

[IdahoBeav]

I wonder why revenue is down $2.5M in 2024 vs 2023. Did they cut NR tags or give more to R's? Maybe it's down because we haven't had any secondary or turned back tag sales?!?

There were more hunting licenses sold in '23. More of the sales were online, and a lot of those people were only getting a tag for a single species.

 

[idelkslayer]

There were more hunting licenses sold in '23. More of the sales were online, and a lot of those people were only getting a tag for a single species.

I wonder how many NR are buying both deer and elk tags. In theory, we could have as few as 15,500 NR hunters every year if they all got deer tags and the same hunters also bought up the 12,800 elk tags. Or there could be as many as 28,300 NR hunters if they each only buy one tag. So in any given year the actual number of NR hunters is between 15,500 and 28,300.

With that in mind I wonder if the current system results in fewer NR hunters overall and if a draw system will result in more.

 

[IdahoBeav]

I wonder how many NR are buying both deer and elk tags. In theory, we could have as few as 15,500 NR hunters every year if they all got deer tags and the same hunters also bought up the 12,800 elk tags. Or there could be as many as 28,300 NR hunters if they each only buy one tag. So in any given year the actual number of NR hunters is between 15,500 and 28,300.

With that in mind I wonder if the current system results in fewer NR hunters overall and if a draw system will result in more.

I wonder how there were more than 28,300 transactions each year '21-'23. Maybe a lot people bought a license only- planning to hit a returned tag sale later, apply for controlled hunts, hunt for wolf/bear/cougar/birds/etc.?

 

[farmermail]

The % of in-person sales jumped drastically from '23 to '24, and the number of transactions (number of hunters), items sold, and devices online dropped.
The current system is causing people to lose interest in Idaho. However, the tags are still easily selling out. A draw will make the number of participants go through the roof, and your chances of getting a tag will go way down.

The current system really is the best option.

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Agreed. Draw systems, random or points, make things equal and minimize effort. Current system: more effort, you get a tag. Yup, for those stuck to just online, not as "fair" as those who put in effort to fly out or get a buddy to stand in line. Such is life. I prefer systems where effort can yield results vs. everyone gets the same chance. If tags are selling out, why change? Maybe alter, like some capped zones, where 1/2 are sold in person, 1/2 online. Don't go to a draw.

 

[Wrench]

The % of in-person sales jumped drastically from '23 to '24, and the number of transactions (number of hunters), items sold, and devices online dropped.
The current system is causing people to lose interest in Idaho. However, the tags are still easily selling out. A draw will make the number of participants go through the roof, and your chances of getting a tag will go way down.

The current system really is the best option.

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That's 12k people who came to Idaho and spent money on one day. Some flew, all drove and most bought food and fuel. That's an economic win vs internet sales.

 

[sasquatch]

The % of in-person sales jumped drastically from '23 to '24, and the number of transactions (number of hunters), items sold, and devices online dropped.
The current system is causing people to lose interest in Idaho. However, the tags are still easily selling out. A draw will make the number of participants go through the roof, and your chances of getting a tag will go way down.

The current system really is the best option.

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Not necessarily. Unless you can show how many people logged in for the sale on several computers you can’t compare the odds of getting a low number in line

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