Idaho NR general tag going to draw?

[bergie]

Bingo, we all know it is about the $$$. Idaho sells dang near every nonresident elk tag within hours, and deer tags. So why change what is working. 8 million for elk tags, 2 million for licenses plus the deer tags and archery permits. I'm just saying 10mill ish in 5-6 hours.. unless my math is wrong.

Most times I would agree, just follow the $ and youll understand...however this time is different. I don't think Idaho much cares how they get the $, it was all the people complaining about the system, so they sent surveys and created a group to look into it. Based on majority, most people agree that draw is best. Can't please everyone and in this day and age some people even if they are pleased will still complain.

 

[blacktail434]

What about people with actual real big boy jobs that can’t sit in the computer on tag drop day?
Ultimately I think this will just lead to fewer tags for non residents.

But at least with an application period people with a life will have a chance to apply.

Idk how it’s feasible so many people can spen that much time messing around and tag drop/random draw day.

As IdahoBeav said… it’s all about priorities. Surely you’re savvy enough to figure out how to get a tag if you so desire. It might not be your first, second, or even third choice.

Ultimately it may mean fewer tags, but unless the upfront license fee is a deterrent (which doesn’t seem to be the case in other states) I believe this is going to reduce odds for getting a general tag AND likely to reduce the draw odds for the controlled tags for us NR. I hope I’m wrong.

I guess we’ll wait and see if this gets adopted.

 

[BRTreedogs]

As IdahoBeav said… it’s all about priorities. Surely you’re savvy enough to figure out how to get a tag if you so desire. It might not be your first, second, or even third choice.

Ultimately it may mean fewer tags, but unless the upfront license fee is a deterrent (which doesn’t seem to be the case in other states) I believe this is going to reduce odds for getting a general tag AND likely to reduce the draw odds for the controlled tags for us NR. I hope I’m wrong.

I guess we’ll wait and see if this gets adopted.

Maybe
But I barely have a working computer.
Like 30 minutes to print a single shipping label.
I have a smart phone. That really the only working electronic device I own.

They way I see it all the tags will go to 1st choice, and it they do it all in one draw I don’t think there will be much success in putting a top tier unit #1 and gen #2

If you want the gen tag you will have to apply 1st choice. Which would pull people out of the draw for the harder units

 

[wnelson14]

It’s not unlimited pto
Need the vacation days for actual hunting.

It’s a general tag. Not like I have the option to roll up and by any tag I want.

And what if I still get a crap zone or nothing after taking 3 vacation days to travel to Idaho?
Then that is just time, money, and vacation I’m out for all other opportunities.

Ohh and I’m supposed to have 3 days of vacation left in December after all the hunts?

This to me sounds like you need to assess what important in life and make a career change. I drove 11 hrs Monday and was home at 10PM Tuesday. 2 days vacation.
When I described what I was doing to my boss he said well if you’re on the road and available don’t even take any days off.

 

[BRTreedogs]

This to me sounds like you need to assess what important in life and make a career change. I drove 11 hrs Monday and was home at 10PM Tuesday. 2 days vacation.
When I described what I was doing to my boss he said well if you’re on the road and available don’t even take any days off.

It would be cheaper and easier to just move to Idaho.

So R careful what you wish for.

 

[IdahoBeav]

It would be cheaper and easier to just move to Idaho.

Come on over. It’s what I did 8 years ago, haven’t missed Oregon for a second.

 

[BRTreedogs]

Come on over. It’s what I did 8 years ago, haven’t missed Oregon for a second.

Elk and Pronghorn points are at Zero now. I could burn them deer points.

And pretty sure my GF dumped me last night.

 

[IdahoBeav]

Maybe
But I barely have a working computer.
Like 30 minutes to print a single shipping label.
I have a smart phone. That really the only working electronic device I own.

Online purchase is a losing game. Be careful what you ask for. You’re at a huge advantage as is. If it goes to a draw, everyone across the country is at the same level as you, maybe even a step ahead since many of them work in front of a computer and can do their apps on the job.

 

[blacktail434]

Come on over. It’s what I did 8 years ago, haven’t missed Oregon for a second.

Soon ID will have to address that elephant in the room…

Online purchase is a losing game. Be careful what you ask for. You’re at a huge advantage as is. If it goes to a draw, everyone across the country is at the same level as you, maybe even a step ahead since many of them work in front of a computer and can do their apps on the job.

Bingo

 

[IdahoBeav]

Soon ID will have to address that elephant in the room…

Yes, unlimited otc resident mule deer hunting won’t last forever.


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[IDVortex]

Just wait. You got to give it a few years of people thinking and then realizing that taking it to a draw didn’t help. Then they will start to push for point systems.

Sadly that'll be the case.

Our era of entitlement is destroying anything folks love to do. But are to naive to realize we're part of the problem.

 

[IdahoBeav]

NRs won’t accept a lottery. They’ll need something for their contribution, and that’ll be the start of it, unfortunately.

 

[IDVortex]

No matter what happens, only thing i want a requirement with what they do is they do a permanent ban on any out of state influencer who tries to hunt ID. Like MF for example.

 

[willfrye027]

I don’t think the majority of residents will accept general season draw.

I get that Idaho used to be better hunting..so did everywhere else in the West. it’s still a good hunt even in the very crowded units. Good hunters are still getting it done…meat hunters are still getting it done…if you don’t fit into one of those categories maybe take a realistic look at yourself as a hunter rather than trying to change a system to draw which is unlikely to magically improve your hunting experience?

For NR, i am ambivalent. For a few years draw could create some interesting opportunity but eventually it will all even out and yearly hunts will be a thing of the past.

 

[CasNed]

No matter what happens, only thing i want a requirement with what they do is they do a permanent ban on any out of state influencer who tries to hunt ID. Like MF for example.

Zero non resident tags .. zero out of state influencers

 

[BRTreedogs]

Zero non resident tags .. zero out of state influencers

So residents gonna pay $700 for a tag and resident influencers are ok?

 

[wnelson14]

So residents gonna pay $700 for a tag and resident influencers are ok?

It’s Probably triple that price when you add up all the non resident hunting licenses, Tags for all species and other added fees and divide that up by resident tags. This also does not including the other costs that Non residents spend when going to the hunt, Hotels, food, other gear, and Gas. Also need to include how much outfitters would lose out on and the money spent there (granted I’m sure residents use outfitters in Idaho but I’m sure the bulk is from NR).

 

[CasNed]

So residents gonna pay $700 for a tag and resident influencers are ok?

To recover the budget loss for eliminating non resident tags would probably be under $250 total for resident for both deer / elk.

Quick cost break, definitely missing some stuff but how much more could it really cost?

Elk tags 12,815x652-‎ = 8,355,380

Licenses totals 12,815+14,000+1500‎ = 28,315

License cost 28315x185‎ = 5,238,275

Deer tags 14,000x352‎ = 4,928,000

Deer tags 1500x352‎ = 528,000

8,355,380+5238275+4,928,000+528,000‎ = 19,049,655

19,049,655/200,000‎ = 95.24828

$95 more per resident if 200,000 residents are buying tags

 

[resident vs nonresident]

I think going to draw would be most fair system for everyone.
Sure if I was one of the people who figured out a system such as having local buddy buy me a tag,etc I would not be in favor.
But if I was a guy who never even looked at ID in the past but decided to in the future I do think some sort of draw system would be the most fair way to go about it

No matter what happens (changes or not) there’s always going to be bunch of pissed of people to complain about something

 

[IdahoBeav]

To recover the budget loss for eliminating non resident tags would probably be under $250 total for resident for both deer / elk.

Quick cost break, definitely missing some stuff but how much more could it really cost?

Elk tags 12,815x652-‎ = 8,355,380

Licenses totals 12,815+14,000+1500‎ = 28,315

License cost 28315x185‎ = 5,238,275

Deer tags 14,000x352‎ = 4,928,000

Deer tags 1500x352‎ = 528,000

8,355,380+5238275+4,928,000+528,000‎ = 19,049,655

19,049,655/200,000‎ = 95.24828

$95 more per resident if 200,000 residents are buying tags

At $95 more, a lot of residents wouldn’t hunt.

This all seems like a lot of financial risk to take just because some residents cry when they see out-of-state plates in the woods.