Hunting Public/Ranch Fairy Arrow KE Test

[wayoh22]

Just going to leave this here:

Thought it was interesting and that a discussion could be had about it.

And to be clear, I don't care if you like/hate or even know who Ranch Fairy is, it's just a video. Take from it what you will

 

[Jstumbaugh]

The science behind it is interesting. I just cant seem to get behind rainbow arch arrow flight. Where is the happy medium? I shoot a 415gr arrow at 308fps and feel pretty comfortable at that. Not super light but not heavy.

 

[Marble]

I got about 2 minutes into it and could t handle it anymore. We'll, didnt want to.

I've dealt with people like him. He's an idiot.

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[Zac]

I think they did well proving that heavier arrows retain energy better. My criticism is that the bows were not tuned to the lighter arrows. Don't know how much of a difference this would have made. I think that they were unsuccessful in proving that a heavy arrow is going to be more effective at a range of 60 and further. The lighter profiles are still getting there sooner and flatter. A huge arrow is just not going to give you much forgiveness at further ranges. The slight misses are going to extrapolate the further down range you go. However I understand the energy argument at range as well. Interesting content for sure.

 

[dkime]

I think they did well proving that heavier arrows retain energy better. My criticism is that the bows were not tuned to the lighter arrows. Don't know how much of a difference this would have made. I think that they were unsuccessful in proving that a heavy arrow is going to be more effective at a range of 60 and further. The lighter profiles are still getting there sooner and flatter. A huge arrow is just not going to give you much forgiveness at further ranges. The slight misses are going to extrapolate the further down range you go. However I understand the energy argument at range as well. Interesting content for sure.

All good points buddy, but how are we going to sell more ranch fairy test kits and THP sweatshirts with information like that?!

 

[Zac]

All good points buddy, but how are we going to sell more ranch fairy test kits and THP sweatshirts with information like that?!

LoL, these are whitetail guys anyways. The interview before the mullet guy said his furthest shot ever was 25 yards. I think these setups are great for that type of hunting. Most of the United States hunts whitetail so I really appreciate the content for that. Most western guys are savvy enough to know what to use anyway.

 

[Trumpkin The Dwarf]

So... what I'm hearing from the video is that the lighter arrow is still going faster at 60, than the heavy arrow was at 10 yards. I shoot a stick bow... My 525 grain arrows are traveling 185 fps at the riser if I'm lucky. And I have no worries about killing an elk with this thing when I put an Iron Will on the front of it. Shoot whatever you like, so long as it's bareshaft tuned with a COC fixed head. Yeesh.

 

[5MilesBack]

The science behind it is interesting. I just cant seem to get behind rainbow arch arrow flight. Where is the happy medium? I shoot a 415gr arrow at 308fps and feel pretty comfortable at that. Not super light but not heavy.

There are tradeoffs in everything when it comes to archery. We all pick and choose what tradeoffs we're willing to accept and reject, and end up with our final tool. Not everyone needs to be in a happy medium, nor on either end of the spectrum. We all choose where we end up........but then have to live with whatever consequences there may be for those choices. I shoot a ~500gr arrow anywhere from 285fps up to almost 300fps, depending on where I set the draw weight. But I've had shots at elk that barely clipped an unseen twig that sent the arrow way off course. It's easy to think about the "what if's" if I'd used a flatter shooting arrow........or for that matter a rainbow arch arrow that also would have missed that twig. But it is what it is, and I chose my final setup to hunt with so it's all on me.

 

[gelton]

I like watching his videos and think he has brought up some important points, even if watching/listening to him is almost unbearable (but that is his schtick).

There is no doubt that much of his information is absolutely true, but there is also no doubt that it does not correlate to hunting out west when you aren't in a stand or sitting on a water hole. Sub 40 yard shots at a known distance with a feeder or waterhole and I would consider it. At ground level on targets that move, I would rather have speed, sure this video trys to dispel the myth but the problem is trajectory.

I was shooting a heavy arrow with high FOC at only 257 fps several years ago and missed because I had already dialed my sight and the animal kept getting closer and I didn't have a chance to range or dial the sight back. I now have a bow that shoots 468 grain arrows at 277 fps and a 5 pin.

I also think he is on to something about nock tuning bare shafts...inside out precision did a video on it and he was blown away by how a conceivably tuned arrow was completely out of tune with bare shafts until he was able to nock tune them without doing anything to the cams or rest or yokes.

 

[Greenmachine_1]

A few rants:

1. A sample size of 1 is not science that's entertainment. To prove conclusive data, I'd like to see many shots; something like 100 of each arrow.

2. Never trust any engineer in 2021 that doesn't have all of the data on a computer? Spreadsheets are easy and simple especially for the simple calculations.

3. Nothing new was shown in this video. This has been done and talked about for years. A heavier arrow, all other factors being as equal as possible, will be: quieter out of the bow, travel at a lower velocity, retain more energy due to wind resistance being lower due velocity, a heavier arrow will retain more energy from the bow.

4. They completely glossed over the the biggest drawback of the super heavy arrow (I classify that as an arrow that I would shoot with less than 250 fps out of my bow) is that an accurate range at distance is incredibly important. If the difference in drop from 60 yards to 61 yards is 6" than you missed or wounded an animal. Tolerances work both ways.

5. I think the RF needs a different arrow supplier as there are companies that wrap their arrows on the die (Easton comes to mind) so that there isn't a seem from extrusion reducing the amount of nock tuning.

6. If they were going to be legitimate, they would have tested drop and velocity to show how those 2 factors play into a decision on arrows. Not everyone shoots from 20-30 yards over a feeder or waterhole.

Cute video. Remembered why I don't watch THP or the RF. Better for entertainment than for "science" IMO. Too each their own.

As a disclaimer, I realize that everyone has different experiences with different arrow weights and efficiency of their bows which could create some different outcomes. These are general statements which are typically correct. As with everything, exceptions do occur.

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[dkime]

A few rants:

1. A sample size of 1 is not science that's entertainment. To prove conclusive data, I'd like to see many shots; something like 100 of each arrow.

2. Never trust any engineer in 2021 that doesn't have all of the data on a computer? Spreadsheets are easy and simple especially for the simple calculations.

3. Nothing new was shown in this video. This has been done and talked about for years. A heavier arrow, all other factors being as equal as possible, will be: quieter out of the bow, travel at a lower velocity, retain more energy due to wind resistance being lower due velocity, a heavier arrow will retain more energy from the bow.

4. They completely glossed over the the biggest drawback of the super heavy arrow (I classify that as an arrow that I would shoot with less than 250 fps out of my bow) is that an accurate range at distance is incredibly important. If the difference in drop from 60 yards to 61 yards is 6" than you missed or wounded an animal. Tolerances work both ways.

5. I think the RF needs a different arrow supplier as there are companies that wrap their arrows on the die (Easton comes to mind) so that there isn't a seem from extrusion reducing the amount of nock tuning.

6. If they were going to be legitimate, they would have tested drop and velocity to show how those 2 factors play into a decision on arrows. Not everyone shoots from 20-30 yards over a feeder or waterhole.

Cute video. Remembered why I don't watch THP or the RF. Better for entertainment than for "science" IMO. Too each their own.

As a disclaimer, I realize that everyone has different experiences with different arrow weights and efficiency of their bows which could create some different outcomes. These are general statements which are typically correct. As with everything, exceptions do occur.

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This is also true for a 400gr arrow is the only issue

 

[Greenmachine_1]

This is also true for a 400gr arrow is the only issue

My point is that if you are shooting rainbows to the target, your distance calculation needs to be super accurate. Also you'd likely hit a branch or other obstruction on the way to a target. I only speak to my observations and I shoot, IMO, a really slow arrow, in the 265-270 fps range, but I like the balance of decently flat arrow flight typically don't shoot beyond 40 except for targets, have good retained kinetic energy, and most importantly I'm too lazy at the moment to change something that is working.

Another unrelated issue, why didn't they graph speed to energy to see if there was a correlation? Is it possible that initial speed played a bigger part in the amount of velocity loss (KE change over distance) and didn't want to address it? (Example being a 600 grain arrow 250 fps versus a similar 600 grain arrow at 230 fps is the drop in KE the same %wise over the distance).

I also wanted to see drop shown and a hooter-shooter to account for differences in shooting style. It would have eliminated variables, but this wasn't done for science. it was done for views and to apparently waste my Friday discussing the inaccuracies in their methods and questioning their conclusions as being absolute.

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[Billy Goat]

Can we just go ahead and call this the popcorn thread?



I'm not going to watch the video, I don't like giving out views.

I think I got the jist of it tho.

 

[Zac]

I agree with most everything above. I think RF and THP mostly need some context. If you ever talk to Troy he will tell you his ultimate goal is for people to shoot a 550 grain arrow with a COC razor sharp broadhead. He will admittedly tell you that his concepts are to help the 8-5 guy that sits in a tree a few days out of the year and is lucky to have a single shot opportunity. Troy found success after researching the Ashby studies as we know. Snyder always references someone that has found Jesus and wants to share it with everyone. This is the best way I can explain what happened to Troy. If Troy would have met Bill Vanderhayden before he started reading the Ashby reports we would probably all agree with him. However you can't fault that he found what was available to him at the time, and has had success with it. He is just trying to share his success with others based on the experiences that he has has in his own environment, and what he believes is true.

 

[charliethwacker]

The above is so true he is just trying to help. That being said a lot of people who claim they met people like him and call him an idiot is arrogant, stupid, myopically short minded and irresponsible information. What do people think about them when they were met?

 

[Beendare]

I find it funny that these guys have many people convinced they need a 750gr arrow to kill an animal. PT Barnum said it best.

Hundreds of thousands of animals have been killed with an average weight arrow and sharp thingy on the front.

Now in their quest to make a living off of social media these influencers are telling us we are doing it wrong?

The stats would state otherwise…..…

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[charliethwacker]

I do not disagree, there is another forum which has a very educated individual that I disagreed with based upon thousands of points of data and many agreed that everybody including your self sees and shoots differently. Yes he said in the past some controversial things but if you watch his video he admits that he might have not considered all the variables. God I wish we could hold our government to same standards and be rewarded, The same mental masturbation climaxes some people get out mindless criticism.

 

[groossbard22]

Personally cause I don't trust my self to shoot rainbows to distance. This season I'm gonna try a short range sub 30 yards heavy arrow with an extra 100 grains up front and a second setup that is for distance. Reduce the rainbow and reduce flight time.

 

[Zac]

Personally cause I don't trust my self to shoot rainbows to distance. This season I'm gonna try a short range sub 30 yards heavy arrow with an extra 100 grains up front and a second setup that is for distance. Reduce the rainbow and reduce flight time.

This is a horrible idea.

 

[mtnlomo]

Personally cause I don't trust my self to shoot rainbows to distance. This season I'm gonna try a short range sub 30 yards heavy arrow with an extra 100 grains up front and a second setup that is for distance. Reduce the rainbow and reduce flight time.

As in two different arrow weights out of the same bow? Or carry two different bows? Also different arrow spines to compensate for the weight change or length? What about broadheads? I'm curious about the execution of this plan because it seems strange, unnecessary, and frankly a recipe for disaster.