Hunting in National Parks

[spike camp]

You could fill this forum with similar videos.

And then triple that amount of videos, with idiot civilian hunter videos.

 

[mt terry d]

The real point of LE vs Non-LE is why pay government to do something citizens would pay to do?

 

[spike camp]

The real point of LE vs Non-LE is why pay government to do something citizens would pay to do?

Removal of the liability factor.

 

[HairyScandinavian]

Obviously you can't have hunters running around the more touristy areas, but managed properly by the NPS I think this could be a great thing and I like seeing the pressure of an order to try to make it happen more. I also like the more normalization of hunting, if park visitors see signs indicating certain areas are open to hunters and such it helps to keep hunting normalized in the eyes of Joe Schmoe public. In the end more available public property to hunt is always a good thing.

 

[dreamingbig]

Obviously you can't have hunters running around the more touristy areas, but managed properly by the NPS I think this could be a great thing and I like seeing the pressure of an order to try to make it happen more. I also like the more normalization of hunting, if park visitors see signs indicating certain areas are open to hunters and such it helps to keep hunting normalized in the eyes of Joe Schmoe public. In the end more available public property to hunt is always a good thing.

Sure you could. Hunters interact with non hunters on national forest and BLM land all the time.

Then the national parks might be worth their budget. The original legislation did not intend to make hunting illegal in the parks.

I agree that you could say no hunting within a half mile of a road.


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[BLJ]

Obviously you can't have hunters running around the more touristy areas,

We were in Yellowstone the middle of September last year.
I was surprised at how few people there were overall. Crowded, but not nearly what I expected.

I’d say from that time of year on it wouldn’t take a lot to get away from the tourist.

 

[brca005]

If approved it might offset federal lands sold off for private development.
But somehow the speeches will make it sound like a positive

It gotten brought up multiple times as solutions to budget problems. Or "less utilized" public lands being used for housing. Or states taking control of federal lands.

Overall anytime a politician claims to be helping us in a speech they are working on screwing us another way.

In the end more available public property to hunt is always a good thing.

I think some of the idea for this is so politicians can tell the hunting community "hey we got X amount of additional acres for you to hunt, now let's talk about the other federal lands we proposed a while back". I think it's a work around to take the heat off the public land they wanted to try and sell but the outdoor community came out and voiced their opinions, which got it shut down. And as we know, even if they open it up to hunting, it will be very restricted on when, where and how.

Possibly the only benefit could be, some of the influencers would get those tags and take some of the other pressure the other lands we hunt.

I'm all about more public land, but it comes at a cost, the government is going to take their share in return and make sure they get their cut.

 

[WRO]

They are also going to turn out public lands into a feed lot..

What a f’n disaster, give us scraps while they destroy the rest..


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[Fatcamp]

I've watched a Sheriff's Deputy miss an injured whitetail twice at 10 yards with his (red dot equipped) 9mm. Then went back to the cruiser, came back with a shotgun, and put a load of #11 bird shot in its ass and backstraps. I had to put a 147gr XTP into it's head after he left the scene.

LEOs would be my last choice for culling deer in sensitive areas. I know there's a lot of exemptions, but they're typically some of the worst shooters I see at the range.

Ya. I watched a class of LEO qualifying after a bit of training at an indoor range. No idea who they were, obviously not street cops. Probably staff that barely needs a gun, but all LEO.

It was pretty rough.

 

[mt terry d]

Removal of the liability factor.

Good point
When a LEO injures someone they aren personally liable.

 

[Big Sky Guy]

Would these animals meet the requirements for fair chase for B&C and P&Y? Seems at least the first year most of those animals would have no sense of fear for humans which would give an unfair advantage to the hunter. No fence keeping them in there though so they are free ranging and wild?

 

[MTBackroads]

Perfect

Auction off the tags, allow non hunters to bid.

Raise millions that goes to the parks.

 

[NRA4LIFE]

Ya. I watched a class of LEO qualifying after a bit of training at an indoor range. No idea who they were, obviously not street cops. Probably staff that barely needs a gun, but all LEO.

It was pretty rough.

Same here. Witnessed a group of LEOs at a local range (before they had their own where they could hide) and most of them could not hit paper at 25 yards. Our finest.

 

[CMF]

Would these animals meet the requirements for fair chase for B&C and P&Y? Seems at least the first year most of those animals would have no sense of fear for humans which would give an unfair advantage to the hunter. No fence keeping them in there though so they are free ranging and wild?

Seems like they would still meet the requirement. It's not just NP where animals get habituated to people. You'd have to start looking at suburban whitetails, animals in high rec areas, etc.

 

[spike camp]

Good point
When a LEO injures someone they aren personally liable.

Okay

 

[4090Sharps]

It gotten brought up multiple times as solutions to budget problems. Or "less utilized" public lands being used for housing. Or states taking control of federal lands.

Overall anytime a politician claims to be helping us in a speech they are working on screwing us another way.

This may be part of what the “other hand” is up to:

BLM Repeals Major Public Lands Health Rule

The Biden-era rule prioritized conservation and data collection, and became a target of Trump officials.

gearjunkie.com

 

[carsonkeys]

I was just in D.C. and had meetings with the Department of the Interior, and heard (directly) from the Director of the US Fish & Wildlife Service.

I don’t think National Parks will be opened to hunting, however, I do expect that many Federal wildlife refugees will be opened to hunting in the near future.

 

[Ozarkansas]

hunting season in the Cape Cod National Seashore in Massachusetts, for example, would be extended through the spring and summer. Hunters in the Lake Meredith National Recreation Area in Texas would be allowed to clean their kills in bathrooms. And hunters would be allowed to kill alligators in the Jean Lafitte National Historical Park and Preserve in Louisiana

Everything I’ve read makes this sound like they’re just loosening up restrictions on places that already allow hunting, generally to either align with state laws, or because the thing they banned is already outlawed in the state so it’s a redundant law. If I remember right there was a similar push in Trump’s first term to do the same thing and open up more USFW land to hunting and fishing.

It seems like this has been blown out of proportion by media

 

[adamm88]

Gettysburg National Military Park is right in my back yard, They have a huge deer issue, CDW was just found close, They pay sharpshooters to come shoot deer every year....

 

[doc holiday13]

Obviously you can't have hunters running around the more touristy areas, but managed properly by the NPS I think this could be a great thing and I like seeing the pressure of an order to try to make it happen more. I also like the more normalization of hunting, if park visitors see signs indicating certain areas are open to hunters and such it helps to keep hunting normalized in the eyes of Joe Schmoe public. In the end more available public property to hunt is always a good thing.

Here in N. VA we have an extreme abundance of whitetail deer. There are county driven programs that allow hunters to hunt in the local parks. IBEP trained, accuracy standards, designated hunter parking areas, designated hunt areas, protocols for removing killed animals, reporting requirements for missed and made shots. Its a lot of hoops to jump through, but if you wanna kill whitetails, you can kill as many as you want.

I said all that to say, its not hard to get people hunting in parks that are remaining in use for the general public