Homeless, How do towns deal with it?

[gbflyer]

You willing to pay for that?

Yes


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[WoolOverAll]

You willing to pay for that?

I am absolutely willing to pay for reasonable assessment and treatments of US citizens who need help. Our tax dollars go towards much less worthy causes that could be trimmed with no hesitation on my end.

 

[Coveyleader]

I refuse to call them “homeless” they’re flipping drug addicts no more no less. Where were all these people in the 80s and 90s walking around hunched over?

America has a huge problem, it’s liberal, and we’re drug users. Have a look at countries where the population doesn’t consume drugs and note the difference.

Sorry, the solution is jail. Get them off the streets, and get them off the drugs all in one move. Then, Have them in orange jumpsuits picking up trash around their state as they serve their time. Being soft on anything is never the answer. Discipline always works, or suffer the consequences (abide by the law)

 

[BRTreedogs]

The only thing you can realistically do it call the police station and city hall until they are so annoyed with you they haise the homeless into moving and being other people’s problems.
There is no way to rid them. You only make them someone else’s problem.

 

[Wrench]

We have a campus that was the size of a college that housed mentally ill people into the 80s. That campus is now mostly closed and the people just roam around spokane.

Live in one of the least populated counties in our state and we have zero services. The homeless rarely pass through and when they do, tend to keep moving to where they might get to charge their phone or grab a meal. We don't even have a store....so they don't stop.

 

[4090Sharps]

I refuse to call them “homeless” they’re flipping drug addicts no more no less. Where were all these people in the 80s and 90s walking around hunched over?

Is this rhetorical or are you unaware of the trend of deinstitutionalization in America and its acceleration in that time period?

 

[IdahoBeav]

It seems like most homeless people are doing so by choice. I used to live in Oregon. It was unbelievable how many young, able bodied, seemingly sound-minded (aside from political opinions) men were living on the street. When I was in college I worked at a pizza joint. These homeless guys would often come in and ask for free food. When they were told that wasn't an option and they would have to pay, they would pay for their order by pulling bills from a huge roll of cash. They also always wanted to charge their phones while they waited, and they almost always had the latest iPhone.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Real talk. 90-95% of homeless are either mentally ill or degenerate drug addicts, often times both. For the mentally ill we need to institute mental institutions again. For the addicts they should get to choose between a treatment program or jail, bottom line they need to dry out and be in a program to hopefully keep them from the poison again. Remember these people have often burned every single relationship in their life to end up in this state, if their own family is so sick of them why is it up to me to get taxed at gun point to pay for their very very poor life choices.

Local churches/ any non profits (most make plenty of profit) should always mandate treatment and work programs before they get “free” everything.

The 5-10% who just fell on hard times are generally back on their feet rather quickly, these people should be shielded from the dregs who will actively choose to be on the streets and be drunk and high all the time.

Lots of the current “treatment” or lack their of, “housing first” programs just invite drugs, violence, and petty crime and are anti civilization. If you want to live in a nice society then we absolutely have to tamp down on anti civilization behavior. Rant over

 

[Hnthrdr]

The fraud going on in The homeless community is probably 100x what’s being uncovered in Minnesota. It’s terrible and some people have severe mental and drug problems that need fixed, but there is an abundant amount of people that are profiting off of it and will never want “homelessness” going away.

Coined it the homeless industrial complex

 

[jmez]

Until we are rid of corrupt pieces of trash making millions of dollars off of the situation it is a moot point.

 

[tony]

I’ve worked West Virginias only female prison last 5 years.
We average 600 females daily doing time
My estimation 85% are in for drug crimes. I have them tell me all the time, the minute they get out they are going to get high and they will see me in a month or so.

We pass out suboxone like sweet tarts to “treat addiction”. We also have a huge buy,sell trade for suboxone. Girls buy it from other girls. They have thier family put money on the dealers books. It’s legal because the donor of the money doesn’t have to say what it’s for. And you as in anyone here can put money on an inmates books, anywhere.

Horny old men join prison pen pal sites and give some of these girls a lot of money.

Rotten teeth come in handy as they pack the suboxone in them and dig it out in their cell, dry it and sell it. It’s a loosing battle for corrections staff. Catch them, they beg forgiveness and get put back on it.

This suboxone and all the other “addiction drugs” are big dollars. Medical is told to put anyone on it that wants it. I’ve seen girls in 20 years for murder get on it. No drug history.

They want to call drug use a disease. I have never met anyone cured of cancer say I want some more of that !

I agree, cut out the narcan. There was a time when I was on the squad, we couldn’t get it because it was being given for free to abusers.

 

[ODB]

What's the solution ? Put them in jail ? How can you force someone NOT to be homeless ? What would the penalty be ?

The forcing is whether or not you explicitly allow people to live on public property. And if you do, then things like governor's mansions and other state properties should be the first to accept people.

The Edgefield outside of Portland used to be a poor farm. I have no problem with taking people who intentionally put themselves in harm by living in unhealthy conditions, who do not want to join society, who are a liability/danger to those around them and housing them in places like that where they can work to make their own food and keep the place up.

There is a shelter here in Boise that had plenty of empty beds. WHen the owner was asked why thos ein need aren't taking them, he said because we don't allow drugs or alcohol.

When I lived in Seattle I walked out of the building I was doing work at and saw a homeless guy rummaging through the trash. I told him he didn't need to do that and offered him my lunch I had brought. He told me he didn't want it and kept rummaging. This happened several times in Seattle.

For almost 20 years my uncle made 200 sandwiches each sunday and drove two hours into Richmond Va and handed them out to homless, down-on-their-luck types. HE eventually stopped when he would pull up to a bunch of guys, they would inspect the free food, complain it wasn't something better, then go back to the huddle. That started about 10 years ago, when the grateful became the demanding.

These things don't solve themselves with good wishes and other people's money. Non-profits are a damn mess - you throw dollars in the top of the funnel and pennies fall out of the bottom.

As Eric Hoffer put it: Every movement begins as a cause, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.

That's 75-year-old logic and it seems truer today than ever.

 

[ethanbillingsley]

We have food banks, shelters and organizations in my town that work to help those who are TRULY in need. I've tried to do my part in help those who need it over the last few years. In engaging with a large part of the community, there are many who made a couple bad mistakes and it took over there life fast. I am becoming more aware of those who may have had undiagnosed mental issues but the combination of illicit drugs plus a previous condition was a perfect storm. Not to be too preachy but I try to have grace for those people because I myself also need grace. However, I have met with many people who do not want to alter their life. They don't care per se about "getting help" in whatever fashion that may be. Many prefer pan handling while talking on their cell phones. Our local organizations will even come pick people up and help them get sober or jobs or whatever, yet they deny. Outside of pushing a problem to another area or institutionalizing them, I don't know of a solution. It also is mind boggling that while we simultaneously said we can't help the homeless or our veterans we have given away a truly unknown amount of money to illegal immigrants.

 

[roadrunner]

JFK shutdown mental institutions starting in 1963. They need to be brought back. That would eliminate 50% of the homeless.

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That would only increase income taxes because the giverment cannot nix any of their precious money laundering programs to fund it...

 

[grfox92]

That would only increase income taxes because the giverment cannot nix any of their precious money laundering programs to fund it...

In a perfect world.....

We could have fixed the majority of the homeless issue with the money we sent to Ukraine, but then Zelensky wouldn't have been able to buy his 6th ranch.

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[doc holiday13]

It seems like most homeless people are doing so by choice. I used to live in Oregon. It was unbelievable how many young, able bodied, seemingly sound-minded (aside from political opinions) men were living on the street. When I was in college I worked at a pizza joint. These homeless guys would often come in and ask for free food. When they were told that wasn't an option and they would have to pay, they would pay for their order by pulling bills from a huge roll of cash. They also always wanted to charge their phones while they waited, and they almost always had the latest iPhone.

My buddies nephew is "homeless" He panhandles and lives in his van with his dog. He grew up in a very broken home with a drunk for a mom and drug dealer/pimp for a sister

after a few rounds with addiction he decided to "get outta dodge". He turned to hiking and hike all the 14K peaks in CO, panhandled for money, then started rock climbing, now he's sky diving. Having a 9-5 is mentally not good for him and he knows he can make ~$50/hr panhandling and doesn't have to show up everyday to do it. He's not hurting anyone and pays cash for all his stuff. He's a "convicted felon" so its hard for him to get a regular job. He replaced his bad addictions for something slightly more productive. He's had to go to the hospital a few times and refused pain treatment drugs cuz he doesn't want to go back down that road

 

[Steve300xcw]

I have no problem with taking people who intentionally put themselves in harm by living in unhealthy conditions, who do not want to join society, who are a liability/danger to those around them and housing them in places like that where they can work to make their own food and keep the place up.

Thats a very slippery slope. Given how stupid things got just a few years ago. Thoughts/comments like that are rather interesting..

 

[Coveyleader]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...risis-drug-addiction-british-columbia-canada/


Right here is a perfect example of what’s wrong with liberal, non law abiding countries/communities. When you’re soft on crime, you, me suffer the consequences.


We have become soft in everything we do. Look at the comments here. Many stating “mental issues” before drug “addiction issues”
as the cause of all this “homelessness” and why? Sorry to break it to you, the majority of the “homelessness” are flipping drug addicts. Have a look at the general make up of who these “homeless” people are. Are you seeing many Latinos or Asians in these “ drug camps?”

 

[ODB]

Thats a very slippery slope. Given how stupid things got just a few years ago. Thoughts/comments like that are rather interesting..

Yes. Solving complex problems takes boldness and risk. But when they are guided with compassion, morality, and humanity they work.

As a society we seem to have lost most of those attributes. And that is the bigger issue.

 

[WeiserBucks]

Have a look at the general make up of who these “homeless” people are. Are you seeing many Latinos or Asians in these “ drug camps?”

I'm not sure what you're asking? The drug camps in eastern Oregon are very racially diverse.